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Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by WA »

lightgreen wrote: post #325
WA wrote: post #157

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No, just post anonymously. Way better. Then your voice is heard, but you don't have to suffer personal consequences.

The opinion of a person with some credibility, like name is N, lives in a city M, occupation is X is valued more than some of anonymous. Because nowadays there are too many fake accounts, even paid trolls, and talking to them (or even listening to them) is just waste of time, not a meaningful conversation. My twitter account is anonymous and I sometimes get replies like why would I want to talk to nobody. And they ar…

Anonymous accounts can have a reputation, too. I have been on HN since 2008. I wouldn’t like to have this account burned. In a way, I do have a reputation of not posting total shit, since I’m still here.

Same is true for many communities where users gain popularity and trust if they participate in a meaningful way.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by rkk3 »

foldr wrote: post #575
rkk3 wrote: post #573

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Yes that is the same tweet referenced above. They accused him of multiple things such as "groping female devs", "trying to pour drinks down the throat" of a drunk girl who bit his face. He apologized for SIC "shitty, creepy" behavior, but he never explicitly apologized for groping & wasn't accused of groping anyone specifically. I don't see how any of that is inconsistent with the author saying above that he didn't g…

I was just responding to your statmeent that Noah didn’t ‘didn't directly reply’ to the groping allegations. As far as I can tell, he did, as you can see in the screenshot.

I don't use twitter and they have multiple UI for platform but AFAIK when you reply it usually says "replying to @...", which it didn't have in the screenshot or archive.

https://archive.vn/69yo0

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by dcow »

rkk3 wrote: post #579
dcow wrote: post #577

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Maybe he is too charitable in his assessment, but the reality is the rapist allegations are not true (entirely mob escalated nonsense) and from what I can gather largely the reason he was "canceled". I suspect the shitty creepy sexual predator label is simply the author internalizing the mobs reaction. There's a very very fine line between "creepy" and "has game" and it usually comes down to how attractive you are wh…

> but the reality is the rapist allegations are not true Wizards didn't fire him for being a rapist[1]. It's great he isn't a rapist! But why should his company ignore that he publicly apologized for doing sexually inappropriate things at work events? [1] https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/statement... "Noah Bradley, engaged in inappropriate sexual conduct with members of the Magic and artist communit…

…because the mob said so…

The only reason Wizard cared was because there was an associated twitter shitfest. Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem outside of the twitterverse affecting employees at the company? It’s not illegal to hit on someone. Inappropriate is such a fuzzy definition it can literally mean “he gave me the up down”.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by dcow »

rkk3 wrote: post #580
dcow wrote: post #577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe he is too charitable in his assessment, but the reality is the rapist allegations are not true (entirely mob escalated nonsense) and from what I can gather largely the reason he was "canceled". I suspect the shitty creepy sexual predator label is simply the author internalizing the mobs reaction. There's a very very fine line between "creepy" and "has game" and it usually comes down to how attractive you are wh…

>There's a very very fine line between "creepy" and "has game" and it usually comes down to how attractive you are which moulds how other people happen to perceive your advances. Yes, but not sure why that matters. The guy has a 6-pack does that change anything for you? https://twitter.com/noahbradley/status/1245397083529543680/p...

That was not my point. Furthermore attractiveness is subjective. Point is if that dude hit on you and you wanted that outcome, then it’s not problematic. If he hit on you and you didn't want it, then, these days, that’s all it takes for it to be problematic at least in the opinion of a few twitter users.

This mode of operation is not realistic if you acknowledge humans get attracted to each other. If we approach society by making trying to hook up with someone a social crime, what does society look like?

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by rkk3 »

dcow wrote: post #583
rkk3 wrote: post #579

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but the reality is the rapist allegations are not true Wizards didn't fire him for being a rapist[1]. It's great he isn't a rapist! But why should his company ignore that he publicly apologized for doing sexually inappropriate things at work events? [1] https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/statement... "Noah Bradley, engaged in inappropriate sexual conduct with members of the Magic and artist communit…

…because the mob said so… The only reason Wizard cared was because there was an associated twitter shitfest. Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem outside of the twitterverse affecting employees at the company? It’s not illegal to hit on someone. Inappropriate is such a fuzzy definition it can literally mean “he gave me the up down”.

> Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem

Wizard's had a business relationship with him and were liable for his behavior. They didn't owe him anything. Your company isn't your friend, if you want a friend buy a dog.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by rkk3 »

dcow wrote: post #584
rkk3 wrote: post #580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There's a very very fine line between "creepy" and "has game" and it usually comes down to how attractive you are which moulds how other people happen to perceive your advances. Yes, but not sure why that matters. The guy has a 6-pack does that change anything for you? https://twitter.com/noahbradley/status/1245397083529543680/p...

That was not my point. Furthermore attractiveness is subjective. Point is if that dude hit on you and you wanted that outcome, then it’s not problematic. If he hit on you and you didn't want it, then, these days, that’s all it takes for it to be problematic at least in the opinion of a few twitter users. This mode of operation is not realistic if you acknowledge humans get attracted to each other. If we approach soci…

The author acknowledged that he was an asshole and did things that were inappropriate, thats why he apologized...

You are creating a straw-man not reflective of this scenario.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #273
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #211

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Like so many things, this is something that has existed forever but now it has a new fashionable name and people treat it like it was just invented.

Before the Web 2.0 internet made people’s real names so public, it was in fact quite difficult for things many people did to affect their employment. Your employer simply wouldn’t have been aware of how you were acting somewhere else outside their direct purview. Now, however, if an opponent knows that you are employed at X, they can bring pressure on X to fire you in an extremely public way, such that your employer…

Maybe I'm just old, but I think using your real identity online always was, and always is, idiotic.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by dcow »

rkk3 wrote: post #585
dcow wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

…because the mob said so… The only reason Wizard cared was because there was an associated twitter shitfest. Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem outside of the twitterverse affecting employees at the company? It’s not illegal to hit on someone. Inappropriate is such a fuzzy definition it can literally mean “he gave me the up down”.

> Why didn't they simply ask Noah to stop making sexual advances at “work events” if it was really a pervasive problem Wizard's had a business relationship with him and were liable for his behavior. They didn't owe him anything. Your company isn't your friend, if you want a friend buy a dog.

It doesn't work that way. Companies are not liable for the alleged misconduct of their employees unless we're talking about specifically being on the job/clock when the misconduct occurred. Given Noah contracted, the company isn't liable in the first place and even if he were an employee, I doubt what Noah does at parties (I have found no references to the problematic behavior happening at specifically work events) is relevant to the job description.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by Jcowell »

lelanthran wrote: post #542
avs733 wrote: post #541

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it's telling that you think courts are objective...

> it's telling that you think courts are objective... So, if you think that the court system, with it's experts, and centuries of experience, with fallbacks and checks and balances, with emphasis on applying the law with regard to precedent and societal input, with appeals and formal processes that must be followed ... is unable to be objective, what makes you think that random people with an actual specified bias is…

There’s a difference between able to be objective and being objective. Anyone who believe that’s American Courts, or rather, courts are objective is someone I hope has a really good lawyer if they ever go to court.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by dcow »

rkk3 wrote: post #586
dcow wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was not my point. Furthermore attractiveness is subjective. Point is if that dude hit on you and you wanted that outcome, then it’s not problematic. If he hit on you and you didn't want it, then, these days, that’s all it takes for it to be problematic at least in the opinion of a few twitter users. This mode of operation is not realistic if you acknowledge humans get attracted to each other. If we approach soci…

The author acknowledged that he was an asshole and did things that were inappropriate, thats why he apologized... You are creating a straw-man not reflective of this scenario.

The whole problem is that Twitter crusaders created a false reality in the first place. It's not super productive to speculate on the details--we don't know them. What we do know is that no legal action was taken. Given the outburst, one would imagine there would be a lawyer willing to help the alleged victims press charges had any real problems existed.
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