LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator • Hacker News Board

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by Symbiote » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 2:59 PM UTC

BombNullIsland wrote: post #567

dfabulich wrote: post #300

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I got vaccinated at one of these West Oakland "first come, first serve" vaccination sites back in March. They were administering J&J vaccines (which do not thaw) with no residency check, and not even a poster saying "please don't line up unless you live in this neighborhood." No statement of intent at all. Others standing in line asked coordinators walking the line, "Am I eligible here?" and the coordinators responde…

The site is intended to vaccinate the population as quickly as possible. Ignore the rules, get jabs in every willing arm until there is none left. Vaccines in the fridge or thrown in the bin don't lower R0. The goal of any competent vaccination program should be to get the most socially active population vaccinated as quickly as possible to lower R0. This means 15-35 and retail workers first. That's not what happened…

After the 60+ people were vaccinated, Denmark started at opposite ends in parallel: from 59 down, and 16 up.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by Siira » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:08 PM UTC

mbgerring wrote: post #274

dasickis wrote: post #120

I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…

So just so everyone has the full context: Oakland opened up its vaccination sites to more people on a shorter timeline than the rest of the state, in certain ZIP codes with disproportionately poor residents, in order to get vaccines to those disproportionately poor residents. I know this because this is how several of my friends who live in West Oakland got vaccinated ahead of the eligibility opening up in the rest o…

> to take advantage of a program that was not meant for them

What’s wrong with this? Our whole society operates like this, but it’s suddenly wrong for some small fries to “take advantage of the law” ?” Write your laws correctly, and don’t blame people for looking out for themselves using completely legal means.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by etc-hosts » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:21 PM UTC

dfabulich wrote: post #300

mbgerring wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So just so everyone has the full context: Oakland opened up its vaccination sites to more people on a shorter timeline than the rest of the state, in certain ZIP codes with disproportionately poor residents, in order to get vaccines to those disproportionately poor residents. I know this because this is how several of my friends who live in West Oakland got vaccinated ahead of the eligibility opening up in the rest o…

I got vaccinated at one of these West Oakland "first come, first serve" vaccination sites back in March. They were administering J&J vaccines (which do not thaw) with no residency check, and not even a poster saying "please don't line up unless you live in this neighborhood." No statement of intent at all. Others standing in line asked coordinators walking the line, "Am I eligible here?" and the coordinators responde…

Means Testing is stupid

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by playpause » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:23 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #86

version_five wrote: post #48

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Is Paul B getting kicked out the same thing as "cancel culture"? It seems like he's violated a rule of a voluntary group he was in, and was kicked out of that group. I know its subjective, but I don't think that's "being cancelled" in the sense that it's usually used. Its more like if you lost your diving license for speeding.

How do you hear it being used? Basically every time I’ve encountered the phrase, it’s referred to someone getting fired, kicked out of school, uninvited from a speaking engagement or something similar.

If a firing or whatever is described as an example of ‘cancel culture’, that usually means it was driven by some kind of orchestrated pressure from third parties.

Typically it means those third parties (usually online activists, the ‘cancellers’) have gone out of their way to get the person fired/disinvited/whatever, with the specific motivation of diminishing their public standing. This may involve techniques such as deliberately fomenting online outrage with the aim of creating a negative PR situation for their employer that will go away when they fire the the targeted person.

(Just explaining what I think the term usually means; not saying anything about any specific claimed instances of it.)

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by gfodor » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:24 PM UTC

captainredbeard wrote: post #577

cactus2093 wrote: post #509

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There are tens of millions of people in the US who were careless, got covid, and then spread it to others in the past year who have more blood on their hands than anyone who cut a vaccine line. Vaccine line cutting is just such a bizarre thing to take a hard moral stance on. And even now months later when the opposite problem of vaccine hesitancy is a much bigger concern, you’re still calling someone out for not even…

Are people culpable for flu deaths, too? That’s a shaky chain of responsibility.

In relative terms hey are in a worse position than those who theoretically got a flu vaccine by violating distribution rules, if such a thing existed, was I think the point.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by throwkeep » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:35 PM UTC

dasickis wrote: post #120

I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…

> Paul ends up tweeting about it and making a huge deal around something he has no idea about. He gets a bunch of people on Twitter upset about something they don't know about.

I gave him the benefit of doubt, but should have been more skeptical upon seeing pronouns in bio. It's a curiously predictive heuristic. For whatever reason, pronoun people tend to be particularly good at generating internet drama.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by dcra » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:36 PM UTC

throwkeep wrote: post #586

dasickis wrote: post #120

I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…

> Paul ends up tweeting about it and making a huge deal around something he has no idea about. He gets a bunch of people on Twitter upset about something they don't know about. I gave him the benefit of doubt, but should have been more skeptical upon seeing pronouns in bio. It's a curiously predictive heuristic. For whatever reason, pronoun people tend to be particularly good at generating internet drama.

Yeah, or we want to be treated like humans. Find a better heuristic.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by neonological » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

NicoJuicy wrote: post #556

neonological wrote: post #551

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No instead of blind faith I choose to not trust someone with a conflict of interest. You choose to give him your blind faith and call any form of doubt a conspiracy bubble.

You literally ignore the basic facts that this thread wasn't deleted/flagged. He didn't pin his comment as you claimed multiple times either. It's not blind faith, but good faith based on Dang's > decade long track record on HN as moderator.

He's probably not deleting or flagging anything because he's aware it will make him look biased. This is a common strategy. Dang picking and choosing only to censor the most insidious things remains an open possibility.

Also, what decade long track record? You have a record of posts that were deleted or censored? That would be a track record. But guess what? none exists. That's a fact.

All I'm saying is that a conflict of interest exists and because of this conflict of interest, dangs comment is pure sketch.

Am I going to let my neighbor borrow a million dollars just because he has good credit? No. It would be unwise to do so and you blindly trusting dang is highly, highly unwise.

All forms of faith are blindness.

I claimed multiple times that it looks like this was pinned. Whether it was actually pinned is open for debate. So you make a claim it wasn't pinned, why don't you prove it with something other than blind faith in dang saying he never pinned it.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by throwkeep » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

dcra wrote: post #587

throwkeep wrote: post #586

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> Paul ends up tweeting about it and making a huge deal around something he has no idea about. He gets a bunch of people on Twitter upset about something they don't know about. I gave him the benefit of doubt, but should have been more skeptical upon seeing pronouns in bio. It's a curiously predictive heuristic. For whatever reason, pronoun people tend to be particularly good at generating internet drama.

Yeah, or we want to be treated like humans. Find a better heuristic.

That exaggerated oppression claim only reinforces the heuristic. In reality, approximately 99% of the time people use the correct pronouns based on name and appearance. The remaining rare cases consist of honest mistakes (that can be politely corrected) or bullies (who the rest of us already denounce).

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by neonological » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 4:03 PM UTC

NicoJuicy wrote: post #559

neonological wrote: post #549

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>Why can't you just accept that and say so? What's blocking you from acknowledging your own words are just incorrect? Very simple logic. He's in a position where he can lie. Conflict of interest. He's paid by the company who sponsors this news site. Why can't you get this simple logic through your head? >You said he only downweights for one reason. Please read my post. I said what I meant WAS THIS: The only thing Dan…

> Why can't you get this simple logic through your head? Everyone knows he's paid by YC and almost everyone is taking his decade long track record into consideration as an excellent moderator + that he literally didn't do anything wrong here. You're trying to defend your allegation and everyone else doesn't agree with you. > That's really all you need to get through your head Perhaps the problem isn't someone else :)

>Perhaps the problem isn't someone else

Yeah the problem is you. Not someone else.

>that he literally didn't do anything wrong here.

What he did wrong is insert his opinion and possibly pin a comment and edit a title of a topic that has a conflict of interest. That is wrong wrong wrong.

Put it this way. In a court of law he'd be thrown out.