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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by notJim »

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

For the first one, are you considering the Electrify America network? I follow a guy on YouTube who takes road trips using the EA network. The issues he has are not so much that the stations don't exist, but that the charging is slower than optimal and buggy due to bad software. He's still able to roadtrip though, just with more hassle.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jacurtis »

mywittyname wrote: post #207
_coveredInBees wrote: post #175

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

The only gotcha with this, is that F150s are huge. I have an oversized garage and an F150 will barely fit. Many of my full-size truck driving neighbors opt to park in the driveway because they turn a modern two car garage into a 1.5 car garage unless designed specifically for giant vehicles. I haven't seen consumer chargers that are designed to be installed outside. Most people have wall chargers in their garages, bu…

I own an F150 Platinum with the 6.5ft bed (most are only 5ft beds), and my truck won't fit in my standard size garage. It is simply too long.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

I see a lot of "rent one for a day" type of comments. I paid $4k for a 93 F150 a couple of years ago. I live on a 1/4 acre lot in the suburbs and just the amount of stuff I've hauled to my small property over the last two years would've far surpassed the $4k in rental charges. Mulch, compost, rocks, lumber, etc. Lots of back and forth with not knowing whether I'll need more or not... so many unknowns in-between. Take into consideration the time it takes to rent a truck, sign all the forms, repeatedly argue with the rental rep about why you don't want their shitty insurance, and the anxiety of renting a truck to haul items that could potentially damage the rental. I've probably put on about a 1000 new scratches, dings, and dents in the short two years I've owned this thing.

On top of the landscaping and project work I use it for, it's perfect for going dispersed camping in rough areas that need high clearance. I would never be comfortable risking a rental for such activities.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ummonk »

jrsj wrote: post #317
pkulak wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.

As someone who used to work at a nursery that sold a lot of mulch, sod, etc, there are a lot of things that a typical single family homeowner would want that you absolutely wouldn’t want to transport in an SUV or minivan (which is all that is really worth talking about because pretty much no individual owns the type of delivery vehicle you’re talking about, which are meant for transporting packages anyways). People w…

As much as I think a body-on-frame truck is way more practical, some of what you're describing is really a matter of attitude. As far as I'm concerned, dirt, scrape marks, etc. in my SUV is just a sign that I'm making good use of it.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

marcodiego wrote: post #578

Panel features a large tablet-like touch screen, advertisement highlights over the air software updates... Definitely not what I'd like to have.

Similar features to Tesla - is there reason to believe Ford will do a worse job?

Can you at least disable the OTA updates if you don't want it?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by dahfizz »

jcelerier wrote: post #511
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

... why not just rent one for the day ?

Renting is a hassle, and its cheaper to buy if you need to rent more than a couple times a month.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by sunflowerfly »

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

Why not have every dealer install a couple of fast chargers? They could build out a nation-wide fast charge network in a month.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by avereveard »

dboreham wrote: post #319
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

or, you know, rentals, no need to drop 20 grands on a pickup to get a fridge home

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by munificent »

stefan_ wrote: post #541
mountainethos wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people seem to enjoy passing moral judgements onto others. What doesn't make sense to me is when someone who drives any gas car judges someone who drives a truck. Do they feel validated in their choices because someone made worse choices? Or do they decide that 30mpg is such a morally superior position than 20mpg that they have the right to judge others?

The moral judgement isn't mileage, it's that pedestrian deaths are rising , partly because of cars that have zero forward visibility for no good reason (no, the engine doesn't need it) and weigh tons. This is what is referred to as a moral hazard , because the people driving these trucks are not taking any risk, even reducing their own risk, but at the cost of increasing the risk of everyone else, and most importantl…

> it's that pedestrian deaths are rising, partly because of cars that have zero forward visibility

Relative risk for light trucks is only 45% higher than cars and is lower than cars for heavy trucks. Buses are the real dangers on the road.

I suspect most of the increase in pedestrian fatalities is from pedestrians and drivers staring at their phone instead of where they are going. I have definitely had close calls where I watched someone looking at the phone start wandering through an intersection without seeing if it's clear.

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