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Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by morio »

qz2 wrote: post #59

Can we please have a Pi without a crappy storage interface. It's either a microSD card or something dangling off USB. An M2 SATA or NVMe would make this credible but 99% of the problems I've had with the Pi platform is storage related, either being knackered microSD cards, terrible performance or USB power problems.

I agree 100% with this. I have a fairly large tinker shop with 20-30 different machines and initially bet on the Pi platform to do CNC/Octoprint/robotics/etc controls, thinking I should standardize. Most of the Pis failed with storage issues eventually; be it eMMC, microSD or USB flash drives. Since then I've moved on to x86 based industrial motherboards which ended up costing about the same when you include everything. Zero problems since then. And boot times are now measured in seconds, not minutes.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by sergeykish »

ineedasername wrote: post #519
sergeykish wrote: post #506

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Or used notebook, 6 years old Dell Latitude E7440 costs $230. It is built like tank. Price of the latest model starts from $1600. https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/latitude-14...

Think about scalability. We need a solution for more than just one person. We need a solution for 1,000 kids in my town, 5,000 in surrounding districts, and I have no idea how many state-wide. How many such laptops can you find? How much effort will it take to source a dozen here, and dozen there, from hundreds of different sources? Repurposing old hardware only works at a small scale. If there were 50 kids in the sc…

That was an example. $1600 ultrabook costs $230 after 6 years. It includes display and there are cheaper models. Computing power has not changed much in the last ten years (just stay away from Intel Atom), maybe add some RAM and good to go. Bonus point — compatibility with x86 and x64 software, SATA.

Raspberry Pi 400 is fine, but it is not cheapest.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by core-questions »

ddingus wrote: post #548
chmod775 wrote: post #520

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>In developed nations, I think families in poverty usually have a TV. That was a fair assertion 1997. Nowadays you will easily find a bunch of computers too. >The brilliance here is that a kid in a poor family can get started with just a single piece of hardware that's available cheaply. $100 isn't cheap when you're poor. A poor family that has any sense certainly won't buy brand-new hardware. When you have to save m…

Because it comes with community, is relevant, etc... Sure, smarter people can literally dumpster dive and get going. I literally did that as a kid. N9 big deal. Tons of people will buy this and get a lot out of it.

> I literally did that as a kid.

Wicked, would love to hear the story.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by 867-5309 »

thinkmassive wrote: post #507
867-5309 wrote: post #487

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it's more likely an old keyboard is lying around. a Pi4 and cheap enclosure could then be picked up for half this price

That's a pretty big exaggeration considering the 4GB Raspberry Pi 4B typically sells for $55-60. This adds a keyboard and case for $10-15 on top of that.

> $55-60

let's allow a more realistic $80 delivered

yes, it's a great price for a great piece of kit, don't get me wrong. but if the price is still an issue (as implied by free monitor), it shouldn't be a big exaggeration to expect to find a second hand Pi4 for $40-50

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by pmontra »

markb139 wrote: post #556
nextos wrote: post #539

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Perhaps that was the case with e.g. vintage sports cars from the 50s and 60s. But I don't think the British manufacturing industry has been doing well ever since. I would love to be wrong, though.

According the uk official national statistics manufacturing product sales for 2019 was £396 billions.

Stats for all the EU at https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/prodcom/data/excel-files-n... years 1995 to 2019.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by throwaway894345 »

cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #366
qz2 wrote: post #59

Can we please have a Pi without a crappy storage interface. It's either a microSD card or something dangling off USB. An M2 SATA or NVMe would make this credible but 99% of the problems I've had with the Pi platform is storage related, either being knackered microSD cards, terrible performance or USB power problems.

Jeff Geerling (HN:geerlingguy, who is participating in this comments section) has demonstrated using a NVMe drive with the RPi 4 Compute Module and its IO board, which has a PCIe slot. https://youtu.be/HUamq0ey8_M?t=429

Hah, just came across his blog while trying to debug an issue I'm having: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2018/fixing-503-service-un...

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by MarcScott »

peatmoss wrote: post #475

Does anyone have any good recommendations for resources / projects for a computer-interested 12 year old? I was thinking of buying a Pi4 for my niece who is “getting into computers” but I fear my tastes in what constitutes interesting or age-relevant content might be out of touch. I also, look at the various books that they sell on the Raspberry Pi site, and worry that they’ll be out of date pretty quickly. If anyone…

Have a look at https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en We have Raspberry Pi projects, as well as simple Scratch projects, Python projects, HTML & CSS.

Out two latest Scratch pathways are:

https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/pathways/look-after-your...

and

https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/pathways/protect-our-pla...

Which are designed to provide a progression in Scratch.

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