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Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by dodobirdlord »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #442
victor106 wrote: post #46

I finally agree with something this administration is doing. This is a solid move. H1B has been/is being abused by all companies (big and small) for a number of years at the cost of not only American workers but also the visa holders. The only ones benefiting are the companies that sponsor H1B visas by suppressing wages for everyone. I just hope the new administration don't role back these changes. Typically when a n…

So will my google interview now be easier?

Probably harder, actually. Google and other high-paying tech companies have been lobbying for this change for years. There are only 85k/year slots for H1B visas and they are awarded by lottery. High-paying tech companies generally have a high hiring bar and don’t find all that many candidates, so they don’t submit all that many applications to the lottery, and as a result their candidates get swamped out by the hordes of applications from body shops like Tata. This change will drive a lot of applications from low-paying companies out of the pool, and high-paying companies will be able to hire a larger share of the candidates they submit applications for each year.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by tuna-piano »

vikiomega9 wrote: post #569
tuna-piano wrote: post #527

I see a lot asking for the specific salary numbers but no answers. I believe (could be wrong) that the required wage increase for old->proposed new H1B requirements changes would be close to the below examples: 1)Software Developer in Chicago - Old $71k->New $105k 2)Software Developer in San Francisco - Old $96k->New $145k My Opinion: 1. Free trade is generally good. That includes things, people and ideas. But the ef…

That's just the base pay right?

I'm not sure. But if you're looking more than just a general idea of the change, I am not the person to ask.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by AmericanChopper »

kazagistar wrote: post #533
systemvoltage wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Are there more jobs for Biologists than Computer Scientists/Developers/Programmers? It looks like this is a response based on demand . Why in the world would you want more biologists when there isn't market demand for them? This is mostly wishful romanticization of particular "underdog" areas of studies. Makes no sense to me. Even more preposterous is the parent's profound claim: > I feel like this thread has a…

Market forces do a poor job driving science. Its too long term, too risky, and you lose to much to the tragedy of the commons. All but the most trivial and mechanical research mostly happens due to government funding, or as a prestige byproduct of higher education (ie, not directly driven by their profit objectives). So in this case, maybe there is demand in a social sense, not a market sense. Alternatively, large co…

> Market forces do a poor job driving science. Its too long term, too risky, and you lose to much to the tragedy of the commons

Then how did we end up with things like nuclear fusion startups with hundreds of millions of dollars in funding? Market forces do a superb job of driving scientific innovation. We live in the most scientifically innovative period of our history.

I find that what people who say this sort of thing actually mean is “the things I perceive to be valuable are insufficiently resourced (according to me)”, rather than “things that are valuable fail to find resourcing”.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by dasudasu »

totetsu wrote: post #341
3pt14159 wrote: post #206

There is a lot of political science research that speaks to growing xenophobia when immigration is unleashed. I understand the sentiment—I'm very pro-immigration—but with respect to domestic policy my primary goal is stability and faith in government. Personally, I like how my country, Canada, does it. Points based system that rewards multiple factors, including skills, employability, and fluency in English and Frenc…

I often hear people say things like, diversity leads to conflict, but what is the actual research?

Try "diversity" and "social trust" in google scholar.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by dodobirdlord »

dmode wrote: post #180
tlear wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the new wage rules one will not be cost effective at all. It changes everything

That's not true at all. The engineer from India will simply be re-classified to L1 with a reduced wage requirement. While the grad student will require a much higher wage requirement. In the end it will actually turn out worse for someone trying to hire the engineer from Switzerland

The person re-classified as L1 will no longer be competing in the lottery with the hypothetical CERN engineer, and the odds of an application to hire that engineer succeeding will increase.

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Post by [deleted] »

dudul wrote: post #523
hoka-one-one wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The decision would be ok in most other countries, where the land is some ethnic group's birthright. America, however, is unique in that it's everyone's birthright. The only reason most educated people don't support totally open borders is because there's so much poverty outside the US, but H-1B holders are not poor.

Boe is America everyones birthright more than Chile or australia?

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by dodobirdlord »

temikus wrote: post #397
908B64B197 wrote: post #25

This is a great move. The current H1B program made no sense at all. If I wanted to hire: A smart graduate from EPFL, Polytechnique or ETH Zurich who interned at CERN and has contributed to the Linux kernel for a software engineering job at a unicorn startup or A grad from a second tier "technical college" in India with a visa refusal rate of ~90% for a job doing manual UI testing and QA for a body shop my only path f…

Quotas are per-country. Your scenario doesn’t change either way, no?

Sorta, everyone draws in the lottery from the same pool of available slots, but no more than 7%/year can go to applicants from each country. This will have the largest impact for high-salary applications from India and China, but it still increases the likelihood that any high-salary application will be accepted.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by [deleted] »

dudul wrote: post #523
hoka-one-one wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The decision would be ok in most other countries, where the land is some ethnic group's birthright. America, however, is unique in that it's everyone's birthright. The only reason most educated people don't support totally open borders is because there's so much poverty outside the US, but H-1B holders are not poor.

Boe is America everyones birthright more than Chile or australia?

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by [deleted] »

Cherian_Abraham wrote: post #375
ethagknight wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So this is amusingly similar to the argument against a minimum wage increase. People will lose their jobs, families will lose out. In either case, the employer is the actual baddie being forced to either raise the wage to an appropriate level or send the employee home (and then attempt to backfill the job with the local market, probably not easy). So if you are for an increased minimum wage, legislation at least in p…

There is nothing amusing about families being ejected. That's the nuance.

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