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Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by CompanionCuuube » Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 4:20 PM UTC

memexy wrote: post #419

CompanionCuuube wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> were using a weird rhetorical trick where you pretend that the other commenter was calling the blog ugly, instead of the article. There's an irony of seeing this behavior mixed in with comments about how Scott's language "uses associations" in a harmful way.

I was making the point and deleted it because of the kind of misrepresentation that you just made. I was making a point about vague and emotionally charged language and you took it in a negative direction. So I deleted the message to prevent further associations and misrepresentations of what I said.

> I was making the point and deleted it because of the kind of misrepresentation that you just made.

Convenient, rather than modify it to clarify the vagueness you instead deleted it. Now no one can see for themselves what the evidence was, only take your word for it.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by resters » Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:31 PM UTC

ForHackernews wrote: post #579

resters wrote: post #574

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Yes, and I hope that is the correct explanation. But I think we should be wary of the tremendous pressure that publications face to lean away from nuance and anything that requires careful reading and to rely on broad and pat generalizations. In my view, the New Yorker is an incredible publication that typically features writing that is superb and also well edited (if edited at all). So that's why this one stood out.…

> Maybe the issue is that so many people are quick to label anything that sounds like rationalism as alt-right. That is an issue, but I'll hope it's uncontroversial to point out that people like, say Curtis Yarvin, who are closely associated with both the alt-right and rationalist movements. There is in fact some significant overlap between those communities.

I'm not all that familiar with Yarvin. Could you contextualize how he fits into the broader rationalist movement? I want to understand how someone with such strongly authoritarian beliefs finds common ground with rationalists.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by zozbot234 » Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:40 PM UTC

resters wrote: post #582

ForHackernews wrote: post #579

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe the issue is that so many people are quick to label anything that sounds like rationalism as alt-right. That is an issue, but I'll hope it's uncontroversial to point out that people like, say Curtis Yarvin, who are closely associated with both the alt-right and rationalist movements. There is in fact some significant overlap between those communities.

I'm not all that familiar with Yarvin. Could you contextualize how he fits into the broader rationalist movement? I want to understand how someone with such strongly authoritarian beliefs finds common ground with rationalists.

He doesn't, when you really get into it. But the rationalist movement is generally willing to engage neutrally with new and interesting ideas, and there's no reason why neo-reaction would be an exception.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by ardy42 » Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 2:59 PM UTC

mrkurt wrote: post #58

whatshisface wrote: post #40

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I'm confused, are you agreeing with Scott? Both of you have last names that are "easy to find," but neither of you are purposely making it easily available. You both believe that there is a difference between "technically can be found" and "is printed everywhere my pseudonym is." If I were to write your last name in this comment, I would be going against your implied wishes, where your implied wishes are visible beca…

Is the bar for doxing really that low now? My last name is not private. Nor is Scott Alexander's. My implied wishes (and really, his wishes) aren't terribly important. If either of us do something newsworthy, it's not doxing to attach our name to the news.

> Is the bar for doxing really that low now?

Also, if merely linking a real name to a pseudonymous online identity is doxing, then Alexander self-doxxed himself by republishing one of his SSC posts under his real name (while noting their origin) in book published by Springer.

An accurate definition of doxing would contain several components, a few of which would be: it's not doxing if you make the link yourself, and it's not doxing for a 3rd party to repeat the link you made (akin to the first sale doctrine).