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Citing revenue declines, Airbnb cuts 25% of workforce

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Re: Citing revenue declines, Airbnb cuts 25% of workforce

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In Australia it's not negotiable. Our employment laws dictate what severance payment is required if a company is letting people go to reduce costs. Those laws don't apply if the employee leaves of their own accord, or if they are fired for other reasons.

Is that in addition to or instead of unemployment insurance? That’s probably the most similar construct in the US.

We don't have unemployment insurance in Australia, we don't really need it.

Re: Citing revenue declines, Airbnb cuts 25% of workforce

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> I'm shocked that 2020 revenues will come in only 50% below 2019 This is a fair point, but it also suggests strongly that a significant minority of their business is month to month rentals, possibly in place of leasing. And hey, being frank, I wouldn't mind considering going somewhere else for a few months now that I can work remotely for a while.

I would too, but the thing holding me back is if the shit hits the fan, and I need to do something like buy a freezer to store extra food, I can't conveniently do that in an Airbnb. And if I somehow get sick, I'm at the mercy of the doctors and hospitals in this foreign land. I'd rather be in my own home with the doctors and hospital system that I'm familiar with. I think more than 50% of people feel this way, which…

To my mind, a freezer is a pretty low priority item if you are trying to mitigate “shit hits the fan” tail risk. You can easily survive without a freezer, and a dependency on a freezer isn’t a good thing in that scenario. Then you just have a bunch of food that’s doing to go bad if the power goes out.

Re: Citing revenue declines, Airbnb cuts 25% of workforce

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You own a factory. Your employees don't. There's a power imbalance in the employment relationship. Most people (who don't own things like factories) need a regular, predictable, stable income to survive, and finding new employment is not always easy. Therefore, people in most developed countries have agreed that by taking on an employee, it is contingent on the employer to provide some guarantee of stability. This is…

Nobody is stopping you from owning a factory. The workers are also free to leave anytime without any notice or responsibility to the employer. This is a flexible arrangement for both parties that focuses on individual freedom and responsibility. It also helps make it easy for entrepreneurs to start companies and create jobs in the US and is a direct reason why we don't see the same innovation in regulation-heavy regi…

> Nobody is stopping you from owning a factory

Seriously? Should they eat cake as well?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

Re: Citing revenue declines, Airbnb cuts 25% of workforce

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What isn’t commonly known is that Airbnb has one of the most biased engineering hiring practices in the industry. Chinese individuals at the company regularly share interview questions through wechat groups. Preferring to hire their own. Extremely dishonest hiring culture is pervasive through engineering. Don’t believe me? Look at their engineers on LinkedIn

How is this relevant to the topic?

It may not be relevant to the topic but it's interesting nonetheless, especially if someone is looking for a job there.

Re: Citing revenue declines, Airbnb cuts 25% of workforce

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In many countries, there is no concept of 'at will employment'. It is not surprising that HNers from such countries would be incredulous. Employment law in Europe, for example, frequently requires the severance terms to be determined at the time the employee is signed up. The employment agreement is a contract, and will be signed by all positions in the firm. In many cases, the severance terms are based on law. Among…

>Among other differences, for example, a German President is personally liable for the financial obligations of their company. If the company goes bankrupt, so does he. In US new enterprise have a very high failure rate, how do entrepreneurs survive in such environment?

They are protected by US corporate law. The debts of a corporation are the responsibility of the corporation. A corporation (Inc.) is treated like a person from that perspective. If a corporation runs out of money and cannot pay its debts and declares bankruptcy, the management is under no obligation to cover the debt, and the debt holders are out of luck.

A CEO (and other company execs) can be held personally liable only if there is fraud or other illegal acts. Mismanaging a company, or even simply working hard and not succeeding, are not illegal.

American firms can take on much more risk, so we tend to see both many more failures and many more successes.

Re: Citing revenue declines, Airbnb cuts 25% of workforce

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I first misread it as "14 months" (as usually you count in months), but it was way out of bounds.

It's really strange to me that companies in the US can just determine how much severance they're "willing" to pay. Why is it even up to them?

Unless you specifically negotiate something in the employment contract up front, they could just fire people and only pay out the notice period.

Severance pay is voluntary. So of course they can decide how much they want to pay.

Re: Citing revenue declines, Airbnb cuts 25% of workforce

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I first misread it as "14 months" (as usually you count in months), but it was way out of bounds.

It's really strange to me that companies in the US can just determine how much severance they're "willing" to pay. Why is it even up to them?

I mean, as an American... I'm not even sure why companies give severance pay in the first place. It doesn't feel like something they should be obligated to do.

Re: Citing revenue declines, Airbnb cuts 25% of workforce

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In many countries, there is no concept of 'at will employment'. It is not surprising that HNers from such countries would be incredulous. Employment law in Europe, for example, frequently requires the severance terms to be determined at the time the employee is signed up. The employment agreement is a contract, and will be signed by all positions in the firm. In many cases, the severance terms are based on law. Among…

>Among other differences, for example, a German President is personally liable for the financial obligations of their company. If the company goes bankrupt, so does he. In US new enterprise have a very high failure rate, how do entrepreneurs survive in such environment?

That's part of why Germany has fewer entrepreneurs.

Re: Citing revenue declines, Airbnb cuts 25% of workforce

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>Among other differences, for example, a German President is personally liable for the financial obligations of their company. If the company goes bankrupt, so does he. In US new enterprise have a very high failure rate, how do entrepreneurs survive in such environment?

Consider that perhaps new enterprises would not have as high of a failure rate.

Mostly because there are fewer new enterprises. People mostly only take the safest bets.
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