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YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by jshevek »

vkou wrote: post #427
nv-vn wrote: post #413

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I'm sure it doesn't seem like that to the citizens of Taiwan who are basically told to go fuck themselves by the WHO

I did not realize that the WHO's job is to get involved in arguments over borders. I always thought that their job was to get involved in arguments over public health.

That's a strange way of framing the fact that the WHO is explicitly siding with China in denying the very existence of Taiwan. Especially considering that Taiwan had data that would have saved lives, had the World Health Organization acknowledged their existence.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by nomel »

knzhou wrote: post #492
twblalock wrote: post #125

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> Misinformation is killing people. How many? I don't think it's very many.

The ban is meant for 4chan-based messages like "drink bleach/rubbing alcohol/methanol to cure yourself now!", which have killed plenty of people.

I think it's unfortunate that the population has become so stupid that we need to protect them from killing themselves by drinking household chemicals, based on tweets or whatever.

I can't see and end game that's not terrible.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by ZenPsycho »

stcredzero wrote: post #270
logifail wrote: post #121

Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

So, how many deaths are you willing to be responsible for? make sure to scale it up to youtube size.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by anigbrowl »

grawprog wrote: post #545
bad_user wrote: post #434

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WHO currently represents the scientific consensus. No, they don't tell you what to do, it is your government that does that, or in this case a private entity. But anybody with a brain would go for the scientific consensus. (Even though, just to be clear, I don't agree with what YouTube is doing here)

Since when is science about consensus? I seem to recall learning more about falsification being the primary driver behind the scientific method, which tends to revolve around a rigorous process of trying to prove everything wrong until you just can't any more. Sure haven't seen a whole lot of that. Sure have seen a whole lot of, listen to us because this is what we say, without a whole lot of correctly collected data…

Yes, ignore all the overwhelmed hospitals and the sudden jump in mortality in Italy and Spain that made them decide to lock everything down after they already had a crisis on their hands. Rail more about a transnational organization with a long though often imperfect record of epidemiological expertise. Those bureaucrats in Geneva are personally ruining your life.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by eloff »

sjwright wrote: post #548
eloff wrote: post #524

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I think what YouTube is doing is with the best intentions - but I hate it. Silencing speech you don't agree with is a dangerous road littered with totalitarian regimes. Doing so at YouTube's scale underlines how much unchecked power corporations have in our society. I think they should not have the power to decide what voice deserves a platform and what does not. They should be regulated as a utility given their mark…

The greatest risk vector for your free speech rights is to misunderstand them, falsely claim that they’re absolute and have your society collapse.

How does free speech lead to the collapse of society? I think you're making one heck of a leap there.

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Post by madengr »

roenxi wrote: post #336
bosswipe wrote: post #324

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Thanks to Google, Facebook and the others this is the golden era of being able to widely disseminate your alternate theories on everything. If that is your definition of freedom then you are less oppressed then any other humans in history.

Some people would like freedom to discuss the coronavirus without being oppressed. They can't on YouTube if this policy takes hold. The sort of people who contradict the WHO happened to be right on this one; they predicted a problem early and tended to pre-empt the WHO on upcoming problems. This was also expected , because the WHO only advises stuff that is already obvious to everyone. Interested parties can offer be…

I have been watching his channel nightly; it’s really good. How are his safety standards higher? I think the only think he expounds is wearing a mask.

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Post by xster »

busymom0 wrote: post #564
xster wrote: post #542

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Seems like a goalpost shift since I was just responding to your claim about "Taiwan sovereignty". And since you brought up the December 31st email, that only amplifies my point about corporate media if you formed your opinion on editorials obfuscating the primary source rather than the primary source itself. Here's the actual email from Taiwan https://twitter.com/mohw_taiwan/status/1248915057188024320 "News resources…

You are proving my very point. The twitter email you linked specifically says "atypical pneumonia". > In China, the term “atypical pneumonia” is commonly used to refer to SARS, a disease transmitted between humans caused by coronavirus. "transmitted between humans" - what WHO claimed does not happen even though Taiwan warned them about it. > patients had been isolated for treatment That's also referring to the human-…

I'm afraid this is another goalpost shift. Remember we started with

> recognize Taiwan as a sevreign nation

I'm then responding to your

> Taiwan emailed WHO in December warning about China lying about the human-to-human transmission

Very bold statements. If you're saying that the WHO should have changed their January 14 statement from "there are no clear evidence of human to human transmission" to "there are clear evidence of human to human transmission because Taiwan stated:

News resources today indicate that at least seven atypical pneumonia cases were reported in Wuhan, CHINA. Their health authorities replied to the media that the cases were believed not SARS; however the samples are still under examination, and cases have been isolated for treatment. I would greatly appreciate it if you have relevant information to share with us. Thank you very much in advance for your attention to this matter."

then I suppose there aren't really anything anyone can say that'll be of interest to you.

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Post by leoh »

subhobroto wrote: post #21

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. WHO is a political organization with medical leanings just like Fox News is an entertainment channel that covers newslike topics. Yes, there's a lot of information out there about SARS-COV2 and COVID-19 infections out there that are downright misleading at best and life threatening at worst. No, censoring that content including videos is NOT the role of a hosting platfo…

This is a terrible take.

> WHO is a political organization with medical leanings just like Fox News is an entertainment channel that covers newslike topics.

Yes, they have opinions. That doesn't make them as corrupt as Fox News.

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Post by knzhou »

rglullis wrote: post #521
knzhou wrote: post #502

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No, that's wrong. WHO essentially never encourages travel restrictions, their whole philosophy is that open international collaboration is crucial (that's why the W stands for "world"!). At the height of the Ebola epidemic, they didn't call for travel restrictions to Africa either.

That is a well-polished turd of an argument you are trying to sell there. Not recommending travel restrictions due to "promoting international collaboration", really? I don't need to be an expert in medicine to understand that if an epidemic breaks out in an area, the first thing authorities should do is to avoid getting more people in that area. Even more so when the cause/methods of transmission and speed of transm…

There are legitimate arguments that travel restrictions are counterproductive, so you should argue against those, not against some perceived double standard that doesn't actually exist.

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Post by 0xy »

leoh wrote: post #588
subhobroto wrote: post #21

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. WHO is a political organization with medical leanings just like Fox News is an entertainment channel that covers newslike topics. Yes, there's a lot of information out there about SARS-COV2 and COVID-19 infections out there that are downright misleading at best and life threatening at worst. No, censoring that content including videos is NOT the role of a hosting platfo…

This is a terrible take. > WHO is a political organization with medical leanings just like Fox News is an entertainment channel that covers newslike topics. Yes, they have opinions. That doesn't make them as corrupt as Fox News.

By spreading misinformation about face masks and travel bans, they do actually put people's lives on the line, though. WHO's body count is greater than some cable news network with less viewership than a mid-sized YouTube channel.

Let's not forget WHO opposed travel bans on numerous occasions, said face masks were not effective, and repeated CCP propaganda verbatim while seeking to punish China's enemies (and hanging up on reporters when questioned about it).

Then the Director-General implied, without a shred of evidence, that he was the victim of racist smears from Taiwan's government after he sought to put them in direct danger by denying them access to critical data.

The WHO is worse than Fox News and it's not even in the same ballpark.

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