Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where? • Hacker News Board

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by asdff » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 6:57 AM UTC

nradov wrote: post #302

smsm42 wrote: post #178

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> Petty crime is increasing, and state laws are only enabling this - people are sick of it. I wonder if people considered voting the politicians who made these laws out. Judging from CA voting patterns, probably not. And then when it gets really bad, they move to another state and likely vote for the same policies that caused them to move in the first place.

California has largely become a single party state. I'm not trying to start an argument between Democrats and Republicans here, but we can clearly see a pattern everywhere in the world. Once single party rule is institutionalized the politicians are no longer accountable to voter interests.

California is a single party state in name only. There are plenty of conservatives who call themselves democrats in all levels of government. Many city councilmen in LA lean very conservatively in everything but the common sense stuff like not being a bigot, so they fly under the radar and people see the D by the name and vote them back in without reading a word of policy.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by asdff » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 7:01 AM UTC

njarboe wrote: post #317

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California allows two candidates from the same party to run against eachother. Do other states not?

It is worse than that. With the passage of the "Top Two Candidates Open Primary Act" California has open primaries (anyone can vote for anyone on the ballot in the primaries) and only the top two get to be on the main ballot. So many times only two Democrats are on the ballot with no Republican candidate at all. Not a good situation in my opinion.

There are plenty of republicans in california, they just run as democrats. Even Reagan used to be a DINO until he came out of the closet in support of Barry Goldwater's presidential run.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by ClayShentrup » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 7:06 AM UTC

milesskorpen wrote: post #533

bostonvaulter2 wrote: post #424

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This is why I really wish we had ranked choice voting (or approval voting). That way we'd have more political parties and a healthier political climate.

Ranked choice voting isn't what's stopping a third party. Majority-wins / first-past-the-post is. There's ranked choice voting in San Francisco, and there's not a new party.

https://asitoughttobe.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/score-voting/

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 7:11 AM UTC

AGuyNamedLoren wrote: post #559

enraged_camel wrote: post #537

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I moved to Texas, because it actually has weather. I hated the way SoCal was always sunny, always the same weather, mostly the same temperature, and no interesting weather events. I hated how whenever it rained it made the evening news. I found that days blended into each other, weeks, blended into each other... the monotonousness made me bizarrely depressed.

I felt the same way about the weather in SoCal. Lived there for 6 years. When I look back and imagine the weather: I walk out of my apartment at 9am and bam, the sun is beaming down on me. Walk out of the office for lunch, same thing. Every single day. Every season. Same thing. So predictable. The monotonousness was indeed depressing. I missed weather and seasons. I eventually moved to the Pacific Northwest.

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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by dodobirdlord » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 7:12 AM UTC

generatorguy wrote: post #570

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> the free market won't really address the needs of people below 30% of the median income. Why? Do you think a poor person's vote is worth more to the government than their wallet would be to a house builder? Is it impossible to make an acceptable house at 30% the cost of a median earner's house? Your reasoning is valid for people whose productivity approaches zero, in which case welfare can indeed be needed. But the…

Imagine you are a property developer. You borrow money to buy land and want to build as many housing units on that land as you are allowed to and sell them for as much as you can. Buying granite counter tops in bulk and selling the housing units as luxury is going to make you a lot more than trying to cater to the bottom of the market, so nobody does, unless forced.

Do it enough times and there will be an oversupply of such housing, pushing price down to the cost of land + construction. With no profit margin at that price developers will target higher and lower price points. The solution is always just more construction.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by tartoran » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 7:13 AM UTC

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #288

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moving away with a million dollar check in your pocket sounds so terrible.....

Moving where? Why should people leave their homes that they built and paid for ..Human beings like their community and neighborhood where they have a support system. When you know your neighbour is just a phone call away next door, you don’t have to rely on doctors or nurses or ambulances or fire departments. As you get older, community is a great source of comfort and moral support. People won’t realize this until t…

They could literally move anywhere with that money and live like proverbial kings. But I’m not for or against prop 13, I was just saying. My friends parents retired and moved to Portugal. Best move they could ever make, they’re happy, well settled, etc..

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by asdff » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 7:13 AM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #537

toephu2 wrote: post #484

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Of course Texas has its downsides too.. the weather, the traffic (depends what city), less tech jobs to name a few?

I moved to Texas, because it actually has weather. I hated the way SoCal was always sunny, always the same weather, mostly the same temperature, and no interesting weather events. I hated how whenever it rained it made the evening news. I found that days blended into each other, weeks, blended into each other... the monotonousness made me bizarrely depressed.

There is a saying that the weather in California is either magnificent, or unusual.

In LA, summer really kicks in end of June and sticks around well into October, with plenty of interesting weather patterns throughout like marine layer events by the coast that just burn off over the course of the day. Then there are six months of perfect fall weather—no hotter than 70 no cooler than 50—rain about once per week, and atmospheric river events keep things interesting. The local mountains snowcap.

Very soon we will be entering the rainy season, if not already, and the hills will turn into emeralds.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by dragonwriter » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 7:13 AM UTC

milesskorpen wrote: post #533

bostonvaulter2 wrote: post #424

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This is why I really wish we had ranked choice voting (or approval voting). That way we'd have more political parties and a healthier political climate.

Ranked choice voting isn't what's stopping a third party. Majority-wins / first-past-the-post is. There's ranked choice voting in San Francisco, and there's not a new party.

> Ranked choice voting isn't what's stopping a third party. Majority-wins / first-past-the-post is.

Uh, ranked choice / IRV is a different system than majority / FPTP. Having the former means not having the latter (for any given office.)

But state and federal offices don't use RCV, and local offices are formally nonpartisan, so there are no partisan offices that SF's use of RCV effects.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by asdff » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 7:18 AM UTC

inferiorhuman wrote: post #450

njarboe wrote: post #344

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I love cities, think they are great, and live in the Bay Area myself. I don't know how old you are, but much of the flight to suburbs was due to the building of freeways and the fear of nuclear attack on cities. Younger people did not grow up with bomb shelters and duck and cover drills at schools, so living in a big city is not something they fear. If we have a nuke or two blow up a few cities today, there might be…

I don't know old you are but duck and cover drills were a thing in the Bay Area well into the 80s (although typically for earthquakes not warfare).

And if you ask anyone who was in school during duck and cover, they would tell you they took it about as seriously as a tornado drill.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by dragonwriter » Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 7:18 AM UTC

esoterica wrote: post #329

njarboe wrote: post #317

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It is worse than that. With the passage of the "Top Two Candidates Open Primary Act" California has open primaries (anyone can vote for anyone on the ballot in the primaries) and only the top two get to be on the main ballot. So many times only two Democrats are on the ballot with no Republican candidate at all. Not a good situation in my opinion.

How is a jungle primary different from no primary and a free for-all-election with a run-off? Is the latter also corrupt?

>How is a jungle primary different from no primary and a free for-all-election with a run-off?

Majority/runoff with no primary would mean if a candidate gets an absolute majority on the first ballot, they win. You can't win at the primary in the jungle primary.