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Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by amznthrowaway4 »

weberc2 wrote: post #204
sagichmal wrote: post #189

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You see weaponization, I see regular old consequences.

That's fine that you see it that way; let's have a debate about that. Why do we punish people for being skeptical, for example, that discrimination is the principle cause for disparities in tech employment or the wage gap? Why is it fundamentally sexist to _merely consider_ the possibility that there are population level differences between men and women--even when those differences leave men and women equal on avera…

How have you been punished?

Oh right, you fucking haven't. Shut the fuck up.

Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by myguy »

mav3rick wrote: post #477
techie128 wrote: post #455

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Yes Google did make search and mobile more accessible while helping itself to a big pile of money. Stop pretending that they did it out of the goodness of their hearts. Hate to break it to you but Google is just like any other business.

Oh so ? What's wrong with earning money ? What's wrong with having good impact while making money. That is what sustains impact and not a flash in the pan. Get off your high horse and respect what they have achieved. Businesses won't survive without money. HN's favorite browser Firefox gets a 300 million donation from Google. Without this Mozilla will slowly die. Of course you wouldn't mention this. Google money is n…

Google only donates to Firefox so Chrome is less obviously a monopoly in the browser space (remember Microsoft and IE)

Google just recently said they're ready to talk business with did again. They said Maven employee upset was just a one time thing.

Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by natecavanaugh »

CydeWeys wrote: post #518
natecavanaugh wrote: post #491

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I think the “buy into” aspect is possibly buying into the importance of it all. In the current climate, it’s a charged issue, because for one side it’s a matter of respect, dignity, and honoring a persons agency, and for the other it’s about coercive speech and toeing closer to coercive thought. And then there’s the the third side that can perhaps see that both sides have valid points, except that none of it matters…

>If words are so empty that they can be bent to call a woman a man, a man a woman Based on this statement, I don't quite think you understand what being transgender actually is. It's not people asking to be called the opposite gender, it's people asking to be called the gender that they actually are , and have been their entire lives, but who had the vast misfortune of being born into the wrong body. There is not a 1…

Is mental gender something that can be as quantitatively determined as physical gender? And what is a male or female brain apart from the accompanying biology? What makes it uniquely male vs female?

Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by natecavanaugh »

CydeWeys wrote: post #518
natecavanaugh wrote: post #491

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I think the “buy into” aspect is possibly buying into the importance of it all. In the current climate, it’s a charged issue, because for one side it’s a matter of respect, dignity, and honoring a persons agency, and for the other it’s about coercive speech and toeing closer to coercive thought. And then there’s the the third side that can perhaps see that both sides have valid points, except that none of it matters…

>If words are so empty that they can be bent to call a woman a man, a man a woman Based on this statement, I don't quite think you understand what being transgender actually is. It's not people asking to be called the opposite gender, it's people asking to be called the gender that they actually are , and have been their entire lives, but who had the vast misfortune of being born into the wrong body. There is not a 1…

Oh, I’m also not claiming anyone is choosing gender dysphoria, but they are choosing their responses to it. I’m sure there are ways to superficially suppress the mental side just as we can superficially suppress the physical side. One is, in this day and age seen as preferable, and the other is a seen as caving into social norms, and denying your true self. But why is perception, one that is not shared or independently validated to be true or measurable in any way the one to follow?

I’m not saying these are easy questions or that I even understand the experience. But simply that there are many people who view themselves or others in a way that contradicts quantitative facts, but there isn’t a large social movement to have the world at large support that perception.

But as I said originally, inasmuch as it doesn’t require anyone to do anything and doesn’t have a cost to anyone else, what do I care?

Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by mav3rick »

myguy wrote: post #582
mav3rick wrote: post #477

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Oh so ? What's wrong with earning money ? What's wrong with having good impact while making money. That is what sustains impact and not a flash in the pan. Get off your high horse and respect what they have achieved. Businesses won't survive without money. HN's favorite browser Firefox gets a 300 million donation from Google. Without this Mozilla will slowly die. Of course you wouldn't mention this. Google money is n…

Google only donates to Firefox so Chrome is less obviously a monopoly in the browser space (remember Microsoft and IE) Google just recently said they're ready to talk business with did again. They said Maven employee upset was just a one time thing.

Lol you guys will never be happy. The Firefox money has been going for a while now. If they help someone "oh this is to divert attention". If they don't help someone "Google is too big and doesn't care ".

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Post by thu2111 »

tptacek wrote: post #576
thu2111 wrote: post #572

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Do you really think Google doesn't let men go for low performance? I saw that happen many times. That absolutely has an effect. The hiring process really isn't anywhere close to being accurate enough that firings are irrelevant and of course, people's performance changes over time. There's no difference between "trying harder to hire a qualified woman" and sexual discrimination during hiring. Just invert it to see: i…

the only reason Google doesn't just outright ban white men from applying for engineering jobs is Please don't troll on HN.

Sadly, this isn't trolling. There's a lawsuit that claims much evidence of this:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/2/17070624/google-youtube-wi...

Maybe you don't agree with those claims but please don't simply write off anything you don't like the sound of as trolling.

Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by thu2111 »

geofft wrote: post #575
thu2111 wrote: post #572

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Do you really think Google doesn't let men go for low performance? I saw that happen many times. That absolutely has an effect. The hiring process really isn't anywhere close to being accurate enough that firings are irrelevant and of course, people's performance changes over time. There's no difference between "trying harder to hire a qualified woman" and sexual discrimination during hiring. Just invert it to see: i…

> Do you really think Google doesn't let men go for low performance? I saw that happen many times. Cool, you should sue. The SJW women are suing alleging Google has been discriminating against them : https://googlegendercase.com/ Are you going to let the SJWs win? It sounds like you have an open-and-shut case, from what you're claiming. > Feminists would utterly lose it. Again, that's not what's under dispute. What i…

There's already such a lawsuit by a recruiter:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/2/17070624/google-youtube-wi...

I don't have any documents or hard evidence, just what I saw and heard. So I can't contribute to that case even if I wanted to get involved.

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Post by sobani »

verall wrote: post #573
drenvuk wrote: post #505

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It's not a strawman. Good jokes that haven't been said before are hard to find and many times lie on the edge of what's acceptable and isn't acceptable or is a combination of nearly unrelated ideas delivered through a multitude of different comedic devices. There's a reason that workplace humor is so repetitive and soul deadening.

A part of humor is "reading the room". I've met genuinely funny, kind people, who are able to make jokes on the line of what is "acceptable", but because they could read the room, they could stay within acceptable and rarely offend people. When they did offend, they were quick to admit their mistake and apologize. Their apologies are genuine, because they believe it's wrong to offend their coworkers trying to be funn…

> A part of humor is "reading the room".

And nowadays 'the room' is becoming the entire world and can include a decade or more into the future.

Today you make an edgy joke that everyone considers hilarious. A decade from now, after the Overton Window has shifted, a recording of you making this joke will become trending on Twitter and you will lose your job.

Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by verall »

sobani wrote: post #588
verall wrote: post #573

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A part of humor is "reading the room". I've met genuinely funny, kind people, who are able to make jokes on the line of what is "acceptable", but because they could read the room, they could stay within acceptable and rarely offend people. When they did offend, they were quick to admit their mistake and apologize. Their apologies are genuine, because they believe it's wrong to offend their coworkers trying to be funn…

> A part of humor is "reading the room". And nowadays 'the room' is becoming the entire world and can include a decade or more into the future. Today you make an edgy joke that everyone considers hilarious. A decade from now, after the Overton Window has shifted, a recording of you making this joke will become trending on Twitter and you will lose your job.

This is the strawman.

Can you give me a link to someone that lost their job for something they wrote 5+ years ago that was actually "edgy" and not, like, grossly insensitive?

The poster I replied to, in a separate common for this article, used blackface as an example. I believe, however acceptable to the majority of people at the time, blackface was always cruel and derogatory.

People respond to images of them doing blackface 20+ years ago with "well it was just a joke and okay back then" and not "back then, our culture felt okay with cruel jokes meant to bring down black people, and by participating, I helped bring down black people"

If you think it was just "okay back then" you're missing the point.

Re: Google cancels TGIF weekly all-hands meetings

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Post by vanniv »

mav3rick wrote: post #398
paulgb wrote: post #249

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As a former Googler, I'm curious what you are referring to by this: > encouraged its employees to participate in 'woke' culture.

They know nothing about Google culture. What they know is from HN threads and The Intercept.

That is an interesting conclusion to jump to.

It is, however, incorrect.

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