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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by sneak »

dang wrote: post #568
sneak wrote: post #376

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Did you fix that issue yet where you were fraudulently claiming that you could receive tips for any content creator on the web but those sent to creators that hadn’t signed up went to Brave instead?

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. If people show up here to discuss their work and get harangued, what incentive do they have to show up at all? If we allow commenters to disincentivize that, HN will be less interesting and worse. It's fine to ask a good-faith question or make a good-faith critique. It's not fine to cross-examine. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I understand and I will endeavor to avoid any comments that may be mistaken as such in the future.

My question in this instance, although a bit antagonistic, was actually totally sincere: the fundraising fraud issue was a big legitimate criticism of Brave a while ago, and I was curious if it was still valid, having not heard anything more on the matter.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by sjwright »

asdkhadsj wrote: post #292
cyborgx7 wrote: post #267

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I already decided my Ad participation. I block ads, and want the advertising industry to die. This does not seem like a value add to me.

Yea, I'd be happier if there was some notion of an inherent value in my eyeballs - and then I could just put that money into the system. Eg, I pay $5/m or $15/m, whatever, and that gets split up by the number of pages I view and content I consume. I'm a firm believer that FOSS and (Internet) Content needs funding. Yet, I loathe ads. They promote (but are not solely to blame for) behavior that is a brain drain on soci…

> I'd be happier if there was some notion of an inherent value in my eyeballs

Your eyeballs only have value if they’re willing to look at things that other people are willing to pay to have you see. Thus ads.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by mk89 »

lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #395
asdkhadsj wrote: post #292

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Yea, I'd be happier if there was some notion of an inherent value in my eyeballs - and then I could just put that money into the system. Eg, I pay $5/m or $15/m, whatever, and that gets split up by the number of pages I view and content I consume. I'm a firm believer that FOSS and (Internet) Content needs funding. Yet, I loathe ads. They promote (but are not solely to blame for) behavior that is a brain drain on soci…

Quantifying your attention across specific sites and then rewarding them proportionately is precisely what Brave does. The reward distributed to them is paid by you. Your balance accumulates either through opting into ads (advertisers pay you to intrude), or you can buy Basic Attention Token yourself (like via Coinbase) and top up your wallet. Brave is doing exactly what it sounds like you want.

It's very hard to quantify attention. And also, is that the most important? Quantifying a reward should not be given to an algorithm. That's the only reason why things like this[0] happen.

For me the best way is either a Netflix style network (like safari books), or something like [1].

[0]: https://unhashed.com/cryptocurrency-news/are-fake-websites-a...

[1]: https://taler.net/en/

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by pcnix »

iseeyou wrote: post #216

I use Brave on iOS with javascript blocked as it is the only* iOS browser which gives me the ability to easily use the Web without JS while giving me the ability to quickly enable it for the site where it makes sense, and still retain the ad blocking feature. A surprisingly big part of the Internet works as well or better and faster with javascript disabled, but sometimes it is actually needed and useful so I find th…

You might also like umatrix for this, it gives unmatched control over blocking resources.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by fuu_dev »

fastball wrote: post #554
fuu_dev wrote: post #252

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ad 2: Brave takes a 30% cut of the add income. The adds you block are targeted adds, thus they yield a higher income. Besides that there are usually service fees for converting your BAT to other currencies. The entire service is opt in making it also not guaranteed for the content creator to receive the reward. This should lead even in the best case to a notably worse outcome. ad 3: https://outline.com/fJm5C3 ad 4: i…

The current case is content creators not receiving any reward because people are using ad-blockers. I don't see how that can possible be "best case" a "notably worse outcome". Worse case , content creators get some pittance where before they were getting nothing. Best case content creators can be entirely directly funded by the people actually consuming their content.

In worst case he still gets nothing. The system is an opt in.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by alwillis »

Brave has a series of ads about different aspects of what Brave offers:

Creators: https://vimeo.com/372813874

Speed: https://vimeo.com/372813765

Privacy: https://vimeo.com/372736442

This one isn’t an ad; it’s a video of a speed test of Brave vs. Chrome and Firefox loading sites that millions of users access every day and doing much faster:

Brave Browser Speed Comparison 2019: https://vimeo.com/371512354

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

Smokey28 wrote: post #472
cyborgx7 wrote: post #443

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No. You don't understand. It's not enough for me not to see ads anymore. I want the advertising industry to die. The entire thing. Its existence is harmful to society.

This just isn't true though. Or at least I don't see where you're coming from. You might see ads as intrusive, or getting you to spend money on something you don't want to spend money on... but that's not how many advertisers see ads. Ideally, they would only be at your attention when you want them there. If I'm looking to buy a washing machine, and I don't know where to start, advertising is one of the primary ways…

but that's not how many advertisers see ads

I've heard advertisers try and justify their work and it doesn't sound very convincing. The simple fact is they are paying to make you do something you wouldn't have ordinarily done.

As we have become more resistant to their activities they have become more underhand. Adverts will try and convince you that you can't be a good father unless you own an SUV, that your partner will become slim and attractive if you buy a specific perfume for her, that you will have a happy family Christmas if you just bought this oak table. This sort of manipulation is a scourge on society.

If I'm looking to buy a washing machine I either go to the electrical store or by a copy of Which (I guess consumer reports would be the same thing in the US).

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by cyborgx7 »

ryandvm wrote: post #517
cyborgx7 wrote: post #267

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I already decided my Ad participation. I block ads, and want the advertising industry to die. This does not seem like a value add to me.

What happens when everyone makes the same choice in this prisoner's dilemma as you? Are you ready to lose all of the content that is supported by advertising (regardless of whether you view ads or not)?

Yes. It would be a net gain if we got rid of advertising in the process.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by herdrick »

spir wrote: post #192
Sargos wrote: post #43

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You need some sort of cryptocurrency for this as microtransactions don't really work in the legacy system. Also by using their own token they can boot strap the ecosystem cheaply as they can mint the tokens themselves with the value accruing later after network participants are onboarded and transacting.

I spend a lot of time studying blockchain and Ethereum and wanted to clarify your remarks. You need some sort of cryptocurrency for this as microtransactions don't really work in the legacy system. Yes, you're right: Ethereum has lower transaction costs, lower non-monetary transaction costs, and ERC20 tokens are interoperable with other Ethereum-based services. Also by using their own token they can boot strap the ec…

> Projects like Augur and MakerDAO must have their own token or they wouldn't work at all

Why?

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