Maybe it's right for the data analysis world, since jupyter, pandas, matplotlib and anaconda form a better stack than R.. however for the web development, if you don't go with rails you will start to ask yourself: why python is better than Go, Node.JS, etc" ?
Python Is Eating the World
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Re: Python Is Eating the World
#582Holy Crap! What a lot of irrational, hyperbolic hate for Python. I think everybody should spend their first couple of years working in Fortran IV on IBM TSO/ISPF. No dependency management because you had to write everything yourself. Or maybe [edit: early 90's] C or C++ development where dependency management meant getting packages off a Usenet archive, uudecoding and compiling them yourself after tweaking the config…
I had to learn Fortran IV for my first job. Am I allowed to hate Python? Are you assuming everyone complaining here is young, and this is their first language? Consider that maybe they're complaining because they've used older languages they liked more. Often, not having a feature is preferable to having a feature designed or implemented poorly.
Sure! I dislike all sorts of languages and environments.
That wasn't my point. My point is if you had to write Fortran IV using an IBM 32xx terminal you wouldn't be quite so hyperbolic about modern Python.
Unless you are claiming you would rather return to writing Fortran IV than use Python because you like Fortran IV better, in which case I'm very confused.
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Isn't it also just as much about Python is having it's day, granted a day long in the waiting but many langs go through this (Ruby, PHP) and then it tapers off and the next language has it's day. Probably Go will be the next hotness in 5 years.
I'm sort of wondering if there might be a PHP resurgence. Things have gotten much better recently. The historical warts are easier to avoid now.
I was a PHP hater before but in my last job, I had to rewrite a big chunk of code from PHP 5.x to 7.2. Actually quite liked it. I would happily work with PHP 7.2+ code in any day but still wouldn't start a new project in it.
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> I would take a Python job over a Java/C/C++/Go/Rust any day it's funny, I feel the exact opposite. I work on a team that maintains a digital catalog, and a lot of what we write is about taking in asset- and metadata files, asynchronously processing them, and then publishing that to a denormalized read-optimized data store. We often joke that we mostly take data from 'over here' and put it 'over there'. All our stuf…
> I honestly wouldn't want to have to write this stuff in Python for a simple reason: I don't think I could live without static typing, which is a fantastic tool when you need to manage a large code base written by multiple people over multiple years. I can make a change in some package, do a dry-run compile of every system that uses it, and then see what needs updating. It gives me certain guarantees about data inte…
> Programming in the large without type safety is a fool’s errand.
Lol. Right. No big system has ever been built in an untyped or weakly typed language. Well, except just about every bit of software we all use everyday. But it does seem like some small startups can't get by without it.
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Maybe, I love Go but I'm not sure it's the next "hot" thing, all the recent "hot" languages have been scripting languages PHP, Ruby, Python, JS ... I'd say JS and Python are currently jockeying for that position.
> all the recent "hot" languages have been scripting languages All the languages you list are over 20 years old. I think the popularity of Go and Rust show that statically-typed languages are having a resurgence. As a long-time C programmer (with significant bits of bash and perl on the side), I've really enjoyed learning Go. But the responsiveness to developing new language features has been _sooo sloooow_. We'll ha…
You could be right, especially as microservice architectures are very popular.
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#586Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I honestly wouldn't want to have to write this stuff in Python for a simple reason: I don't think I could live without static typing, which is a fantastic tool when you need to manage a large code base written by multiple people over multiple years. I can make a change in some package, do a dry-run compile of every system that uses it, and then see what needs updating. It gives me certain guarantees about data inte…
> Programming in the large without type safety is a fool’s errand. Programming in the large without tests is a fool's errand. Type systems don't guarantee correctness.
Exactly! While tests, on the other hand, totally guarantee correctness.
I don't get why people try to use sophisticated types systems to prove software, when writing and maintaining tests is so superior, and funnier too!
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I had to learn Fortran IV for my first job. Am I allowed to hate Python? Are you assuming everyone complaining here is young, and this is their first language? Consider that maybe they're complaining because they've used older languages they liked more. Often, not having a feature is preferable to having a feature designed or implemented poorly.
Sure! I dislike all sorts of languages and environments. That wasn't my point. My point is if you had to write Fortran IV using an IBM 32xx terminal you wouldn't be quite so hyperbolic about modern Python. Unless you are claiming you would rather return to writing Fortran IV than use Python because you like Fortran IV better, in which case I'm very confused.
What does all this have to do with Fortran, terminals, or weaving your own core memory?
Python's competitors are Lisp, OCaml, Swift, C# etc.
I prefer at least Lisp and OCaml.
Re: Python Is Eating the World
#588The comment "Meanwhile, the Unix shell had different problems -- it offered a suite of utilities for common tasks, but ran so slowly it couldn't handle complex logic."
This doesn't make sense and also why the F is the " Dutch national research centre for math and computer science. " using c and nor Fortran
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Actually, Golang isn't so great. Try to change something lower level, for example in their socket implementation. Also, it's trying to promise a sane concurrency and all code I've seen use mutex all over the place.
The main reason I get so curious as to why so many developers would rather use premade packages then spend r&d into highly optimized solutions.
As someone with a tendency towards writing my own custom solutions (from scratch or forked), I'm learning the hard way why people prefer depending on premade packages: they're usually better documented, better tested (both written tests and real-life battle-tested), and in a team/collaborative environment, having some canonical packages that everyone is familiar with helps to have common understanding, rather than having to explain how a one-off custom solution works.
Re: Python Is Eating the World
#590Holy Crap! What a lot of irrational, hyperbolic hate for Python. I think everybody should spend their first couple of years working in Fortran IV on IBM TSO/ISPF. No dependency management because you had to write everything yourself. Or maybe [edit: early 90's] C or C++ development where dependency management meant getting packages off a Usenet archive, uudecoding and compiling them yourself after tweaking the config…
Yeh I recall working on MAP/Reduce using Fortran/ PL1G (1980's) we had to build an entire suite of JCL programs to mange every thing including build / deploy.