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Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by raducu »

everdrive wrote: post #517
raducu wrote: post #505

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Sorry to break it to you, but women chose you not because you're suddenly more attractive than your friend, but because they've had 15 years or so to learn that your friend won't settle down and their biological clock is ringing real hard in their 30s. It's quite cynical, I know.

I had the most interest from women when I was 21-22, in my senior year of college. How does your statement explain my result?

Because among college men, the more senior you are, the higher status; also the single women of your age either date you or they date some guy younger(naah, women don't do that) or they date some guy outside of college(a bit harder) -- plus single women feel that it's "now or never" since it's the final year in college.

It USED to be be the same thing when you were in highschool before tinder and social media: as a male, the more senior the higher status you had -- i.e. 9th grader males will just drool at their female coleagues going out with more senior males, until in 12th grade you finally hit payday.

Not so anymore because tinder and social media allow females to reach a much broader male audience.

It's the same thing with women in their thirties -- they notice they get a lot less male attention -- first the bad boys stop noticing them and a couple of years later even the nicest of guys won't give them that sweet validating attention women crave, so the smart ones settle down with a nice guy in her early thirties, the not so smart ones end up basically cat ladies.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by krapp »

CompanionCuuube wrote: post #572
krapp wrote: post #302

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Humans have been working it out for a million years or so, it isn't that difficult. If someone considers relationships with other people to be an "incomprehensible minefield," then the problem is with them , not the nature of human relationships. Too many people overthink things, seeing each potential relationship as a puzzle to be solved, or searching for some general purpose sexual algorithm for which they can prov…

> If someone considers relationships with other people to be an "incomprehensible minefield," then the problem is with them, not the nature of human relationships. Is it a reasonable position to tell a disabled person who considers a society with no handicap accessibility that the problem is them, not with the nature of society?

Are we talking about disabled people?

I was under the impression we were talking about a general majority of sexually frustrated young men.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by [deleted] »

sridca wrote: post #580
zzetsumei wrote: post #579

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I'm no wordsmith but isn't it instinctual for humans to want to reproduce? The testosterone level in men are far greater than in women. I would say it's a biological "curse" but also a necessity for the continuation of the human race. It'd be wonderful if you could just train yourself to ignore the testosterone impulses nagging for a release but it seems impossible to me. Speaking as a male in his late 20s, I've got…

You'd be amazed how much of this so-called "biological curse" is software-based rather than hardware-based -- have you ever found yourself in the psychological state called "flow" where you momentarily forget about the rest of the world (including the much-cherished sexual desire)? The human race, if it wants itself to continue, will make that decision just fine using its thinking brain (we are evolved enough to no l…

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Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by zzetsumei »

sridca wrote: post #580
zzetsumei wrote: post #579

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no wordsmith but isn't it instinctual for humans to want to reproduce? The testosterone level in men are far greater than in women. I would say it's a biological "curse" but also a necessity for the continuation of the human race. It'd be wonderful if you could just train yourself to ignore the testosterone impulses nagging for a release but it seems impossible to me. Speaking as a male in his late 20s, I've got…

You'd be amazed how much of this so-called "biological curse" is software-based rather than hardware-based -- have you ever found yourself in the psychological state called "flow" where you momentarily forget about the rest of the world (including the much-cherished sexual desire)? The human race, if it wants itself to continue, will make that decision just fine using its thinking brain (we are evolved enough to no l…

Is there something wrong with wanting physical intimacy, sex, procreation?

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by sridca »

zzetsumei wrote: post #584
sridca wrote: post #580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be amazed how much of this so-called "biological curse" is software-based rather than hardware-based -- have you ever found yourself in the psychological state called "flow" where you momentarily forget about the rest of the world (including the much-cherished sexual desire)? The human race, if it wants itself to continue, will make that decision just fine using its thinking brain (we are evolved enough to no l…

Is there something wrong with wanting physical intimacy, sex, procreation?

No; what's "wrong" -- to keep up with your phraseology -- is to treat sex as the be all and end all of living an awesome life (see the root comment of this thread).

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by CompanionCuuube »

krapp wrote: post #582
CompanionCuuube wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If someone considers relationships with other people to be an "incomprehensible minefield," then the problem is with them, not the nature of human relationships. Is it a reasonable position to tell a disabled person who considers a society with no handicap accessibility that the problem is them, not with the nature of society?

Are we talking about disabled people? I was under the impression we were talking about a general majority of sexually frustrated young men.

> Are we talking about disabled people?

At what point does lack of ability to engage socially become a disability? Your statement already acknowledged their difficulties.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by everdrive »

raducu wrote: post #581
everdrive wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the most interest from women when I was 21-22, in my senior year of college. How does your statement explain my result?

Because among college men, the more senior you are, the higher status; also the single women of your age either date you or they date some guy younger(naah, women don't do that) or they date some guy outside of college(a bit harder) -- plus single women feel that it's "now or never" since it's the final year in college. It USED to be be the same thing when you were in highschool before tinder and social media: as a m…

I think those are all fine points, but you said "women chose you" (me in particular) -- I don't think I disagree with the general trends you've laid you, but you don't know the individuals in my life, or their motivations.

Re: Explaining Sex Rate Changes

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Post by raducu »

bencoder wrote: post #561
raducu wrote: post #513

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I fail to see how MGTOW is not an answer to this problem. Isn't it a good thing that men who feel they are not attractive to females quit for good the dating scene? Isn't part of the problem the narative that females have been fed -- that they can just have fun in their 20s and then settle down with a nice guy in their 30s? If females knew they won't have the backup option in their 30s, maybe they'd be more willing t…

In theory, certainly, mgtow seems fine. In practice, like your message right here, it's coming from a place of bitterness and resentment and a desire to "get back" at women. I prefer not to live like that, regardless of whether I'm currently seeking a partner, so the MGTOW label is inappropriate and any other label would likely get overloaded with similar bitter people. As an aside, why do you refer to men as "men" a…

I meant that MGTOW is a "solution" to the problem for a significant portion of the population and a valid option given that the people taking that road are really ok with it; you are right that a lot of men are not really ok and at peace with that road.

I'm married and have been with my wife since our early 20's and we have a baby daughter, there is no bitterness towards women in general.

I just find that monogamy is a pretty good compromise and the kind of bullshit happening in the western world spreads everywhere and ultimately is responsible for so much missery in both women and mens lives and society in general.

I don't want to impose my views or tell people how to live their lives, I know not all people are the same, some(overwelmingly men) are quite ok in the long run with polygamy/polyamory, BUT I'm against the modern bullshit "anything goes,go get it!" -- I'm absolutely on the "think very carefully how you live your life, the years where you can mess around without big consequences are far fewer than you realize" camp.

I am absolutely against enforced monogamy, I am 100% for honesty and people understanding the consequences of their behavior-- and MGTOW or the herbivore men of East Asia is such a natural consequence. I am absolutely disgusted by how people try to spin this from "natural consequences" to "it's the mens fault, of course young women go and have sex with top men, it's the herbivore mens fault that women do this".

I am however bitter at the vilification of men in general, the brainwashing of young men, the mistification of women and the relationship between the sexes.

I am against false naratives such as: "men are expendable violent pigs that just want sex and are responsible for all the bad things in the world and women are good fairies, women should pursue careers in their 20s and have fun and settle down in their 30s, and men and women are exactly the same biologically".

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