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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by vtesucks »

mr_toad wrote: post #345
manigandham wrote: post #322

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Safari is leaving itself in the dirt. It's the new IE with slow, quirky, and unreliable features. They made some advancements in privacy, but so did Firefox without giving up on actual rendering and standards.

> unreliable standards I presume you mean that Safari doesn’t support experimental standards that Chrome is pushing because they align with Google’s businesses strategy. This is exactly the problem with a browser monoculture. If we’re not lucky Google will be the new Microsoft.

So true! No apple fan but google has only its own interests in mind. Google is no saint as they like to portray

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by lozenge »

sjellis wrote: post #378
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

> Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. This is at least partly self-inflicted damage by Microsoft. Edge only works on Windows 10, which not only excludes all of the regular Win 7 and 8 desktops that haven't been push upgraded, but also kiosk-type devices and at least some VDI (which use Windows Server with a "Desktop Experience" that does not include Edge). So Microsoft ended up with IE11, which is supp…

You can test against IE and Edge for free with VM images from Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by criddell »

tracker1 wrote: post #421
coldtea wrote: post #364

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It's not antitrust until (a) you're a monopoly, and (b) blackmail/bribe OEMs to avoid competitor products.

Is Chrome really that far off from IE on market share when the MS anti-trust talk started?

Chrome could have 100% market share and it wouldn't necessarily be a problem. If I understand it correctly, Google would have to abuse their market position in some way.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by proaralyst »

criddell wrote: post #580
swalladge wrote: post #305

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No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

> monoculture _is_ bad From a security point of view, I think that's true. What are other problems? I think everybody using the same rendering engine would be a net positive.

It gives the Chromium project massive power over web standards. This happened with IE6 and was a bad time for the web.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by zmw »

pluma wrote: post #490
ulfw wrote: post #240

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Safari runs on iOS (iPhones, iPads) too. Huge installed base. The same can't be said about Windows Phones

Nobody at my company uses an iOS device. I'm the only one not on Windows and I use Ubuntu. If you look at the global marketshare, Android dominates iOS. The point is that I can test on Windows without a Microsoft device or giving money to Microsoft to install Windows somewhere. I have no way to test anything on iOS or even Safari.

Android dominates iOS in terms of market share, sure. And testing for Android is a much worse nightmare.

When I test my site in Safari in an iPhone and an iPad, I’m fairly sure it works on every other reasonably recent (think three years old or maybe even older) iPhone or iPad. Android? Well, there are so many browsers on so many different Android versions, am I supposed to own a fleet of devices, each with a fleet of browsers? (Plus the fact that I can’t really justify purchasing a flagship Android phone for testing, so I only have a crappy one and I hate every second with it; that’s more of a personal thing.) So in the end my attitude with testing on Android is don’t even bother.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by criddell »

unixhero wrote: post #392
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

After 20 years of cluster fuck after cluster fuck release, I am never ever going to consider supporting Internet Explorer with any of my work. It doesn't matter how good Edge would be. The damage is done. It's like the old adage: You cannot un-kick someone in the face.

Was your problem with IE or Microsoft? If it's the former, then you shouldn't have a big problem with Edge because it's an entirely different browser.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by glenneroo »

siruncledrew wrote: post #341
happymellon wrote: post #197

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How can I test Edge when Microsoft don't release it for Mac and Linux? A browser for a single OS? Talk about monoculture.

It's unironically true too. IMO, Chrome owes a lot of its success to interoperability. For the past 10 years Chrome has been steadily growing while IE has been continually taking hits. Even Firefox stood its ground for a while until users starting migrating away (I'm not a Firefox user, so what caused this?). Working across different OS and devices has pretty much been Google's go-to strategy, and it's worked pretty…

> My main gripe with Chrome is that there isn't mobile adblocking built in...

I doubt this can/will ever happen, considering Google's (Alphabet's) main revenue stream is still advertising, they would be chopping their own legs off by including adblocking.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by AlexandrB »

meuk wrote: post #404
Piskvorrr wrote: post #398

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Sorry, Opera is dead, and has been for years. It's now also frankenChrome, and none of the old, infinitely customizable options from the actual Opera has remained. The only thing left alive from Opera is the name.

At least it adheres to most standards, unlike many browsers. Many people don't care about customization.

That’s because it’s just re-skinned Chromium: “In 2013, Opera changed its layout engine to Blink, the layout engine of its competitor Google Chrome.”[1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_(web_browser)

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by coldtea »

tracker1 wrote: post #421
coldtea wrote: post #364

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It's not antitrust until (a) you're a monopoly, and (b) blackmail/bribe OEMs to avoid competitor products.

Is Chrome really that far off from IE on market share when the MS anti-trust talk started?

Perhaps (a) is close, but (b) should also hold.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by superflyguy »

keypusher wrote: post #481
pjc50 wrote: post #420

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> Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts That is Firefox. Shuttering that kills the project. It's like, I don't know, Tumblr deciding to ban porn or something.

I've got some bad news.

There's always one.
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