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Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by klokoman »

manofmanysmiles wrote: post #423
mtreis86 wrote: post #408

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"The state is the institution or complex of institutions which bases itself on the availability of forcible coercion by special agencies of society in order to maintain the dominance of a ruling class, preserve the existing property relations from basic change and keep all other classes in subjection." Hal Draper

Thanks, that’s very succinctly put! Besides Hal Draper, what authors would you recommend to further explore this thought? I’m educated as a programmer and only beginning to deliberately explore ideas outside of science and engineering.

Take a look at anarcho-capitalism and Murray Rothbard. You can find many works of his on mises.org

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by lizardskull »

The craiglist Casual Encounters section destroys lives. It laid waste to mine. There have been many tear filled nights spent wondering who would I be now if I could delete that site from my history. A string of uncountable months searching for one new sexual partner after another. The principle expense paid includes a ledger of a life of total neglect for those who felt true love for me. And then the hot pattern takes hold again. The emails pile up of mostly men wanting pixels and sizes as a small part of my mind tells me to stop. But the fingers keep clicking. One blue link after another until I find what I do not need. Sex is a fire which begins to burn out of control for some of us. I cannot be the only one since the act takes at least two.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by freech »

lizardskull wrote: post #582

The craiglist Casual Encounters section destroys lives. It laid waste to mine. There have been many tear filled nights spent wondering who would I be now if I could delete that site from my history. A string of uncountable months searching for one new sexual partner after another. The principle expense paid includes a ledger of a life of total neglect for those who felt true love for me. And then the hot pattern take…

If you want to stop having casual sex but feel you can't control yourself, maybe you can have yourself committed to some sort of clinic, instead of trying to take away the possibility from everyone else too? (Which probably wouldn't even help, since if you're not hideously ugly you will probably find more then enough men willing to have sex with you without craigslist.)

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by tyingq »

hackermailman wrote: post #456
anigbrowl wrote: post #131

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Great, like the trade is going to suddenly end. All they've achieved is 'out of sight, out of mind.' I'm quite annoyed about this, both because it affects numerous friends of mine who are sex workers and are now scrambling to find alternatives to working on the street, where they're far less safe, and on a more pedestrian level because I met my wife on a Craigslist date years ago. Life is too short to make excuses fo…

Most US sex workers fled CL and use Instagram now or any chat program that provides location distances. In other countries Weechat is the preferred method to find companions for hire. You'll also find countless escort ads in any adult social media hookup site like say, Fetlife or Adult Friend Finder. A warning to anybody thinking of building a gigantic illegal escort listing service or agency and hosting it in Russia…

This was interesting to me, so I researched a little. Apparently, the real volume of transactions has moved to https://eccie.net (NSFW) in the US. As usual, the internet routes around censorship.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by krauses »

I’m confused. So they felt at risk by allowing adults to post personal ads in search of romantic connections but they leave open the “Services->Therapeutic” category that openly promotes ads for illegal rub-and-tug establishments that are frequently the target of sex trafficking raids.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by musage »

nybble41 wrote: post #506
nathan_long wrote: post #451

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> I think almost every vice would be less damaging to society if it was in the open. Polite society doesn't want to see sex work or drugs, but they still exist. Hiding them makes things much worse for the people directly involved. I understand what you're saying. However, compare sex work to slavery (which it often is). Nobody wants to be a slave. Some desperate people might agree to be enslaved to pay off a debt. Yo…

By saying that a person can't voluntarily agree to become a slave, you are saying that you, not they, have the right to determine what happens to them. That is the essence of slavery right there. By taking away their choice you are claiming ownership over them. You haven't eliminated slavery at all; you've just assumed the role of slave-owner yourself "for their own good", much as other slave owners throughout histor…

It's interesting how mental gymnastics end up making people less mentally agile. Anyway,

> By saying that a person can't voluntarily agree to become a slave, you are saying that you, not they, have the right to determine what happens to them. That is the essence of slavery right there.

It's the same mechanism by which I wouldn't allow a small child to drink bleach. Masochism isn't a good substitute for therapy, get mad all you want.

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Post by musage »

deftnerd wrote: post #521
balls187 wrote: post #430

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> Life is too short to make excuses for stupid behavior. Like meeting strangers on the internet and buying/selling sex for money? If it was legal, it could be better regulated, and they could operate with more safety...but it's not legal. While I'm in favor of decriminalizing adults engaging in adult behavior, I don't believe anyone goes into selling sex with a healthy attitude towards sex. They're typically victims…

You could use the same argument against anything that groups of people consider "immoral". Alterations of the position: "While I'm in favor of people engaging in worship, I don't think anybody worships Mohammad with a healthy attitude towards the lord. They're typically victims of religious indoctrination at a young age, which has warped their perception, leading them to believe in a false god" "While I'm in favor of…

> Basically, you're making a moral decision and saying that anybody that ends up making a contrary decision for themselves must be damaged due to their upbringing.

Yes, and? Are you making a moral judgement that there is a problem with that?

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Post by touringcomplete »

anigbrowl wrote: post #131
SeeDave wrote: post #117

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In defense of the "scorched earth approach or nothing" folks: from my perspective... it's a completely and totally human response to faceless, blameless, unapproachable (from their perspective) perpetrators and facilitators of systematic abuse and exploitation of innocent and vulnerable people. If you've ever felt frustrated at an IVR system for routine tasks such as banking, restaurant reservations, canceling a gym…

Great, like the trade is going to suddenly end. All they've achieved is 'out of sight, out of mind.' I'm quite annoyed about this, both because it affects numerous friends of mine who are sex workers and are now scrambling to find alternatives to working on the street, where they're far less safe, and on a more pedestrian level because I met my wife on a Craigslist date years ago. Life is too short to make excuses fo…

It’s SJW collective punishment mentality. Because something can be used for terrorism, like cars, ban all cars.

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Post by CyberDildonics »

DannyBee wrote: post #44

This is not surprising, but sad. Years ago, i was dragged (i was the only engineer in the local office) into a whitehouse (or maybe it was state department, i can't remember) sponsored working group on online sex trafficking. The non-profits dedicated to fighting this, while seemingly well-intentioned, were completely and totally unwilling to see any other perspective or try to find shared ground. It was scorched ear…

For every problem worth solving there is an answer that is simple, easy, and wrong.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by rmrm »

nicky0 wrote: post #576
rmrm wrote: post #453

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Cheerleaders would be another example. Is it sexual objectification to have scantily clad attractive women on the sidelines? Most probably. Is having not attractive scantily clad women on the sidelines the answer? No, probably not. Is getting rid of cheerleaders the answer? Maybe. Do a lot of girls and women like to be cheerleaders? Apparently. It seems like the fundamental issue is that men like to see scantily clad…

Except that cheerleading it a highly skilled role that takes a lot of hard work and training, they are not just standing around looking nice. And there are male cheerleaders. Booth babes, maybe this is highly skilled too. I don't know. But I don't think they compare.

I dont understand what your point is.
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