Is developer compensation becoming bimodal? • Hacker News Board

Re: Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?

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Post by foo232323 » Tue, Feb 13, 2018, 2:25 PM UTC

ivanche wrote: post #219

foo232323 wrote: post #21

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Europe is far beyond the US (regarding cs saleries, I mean), but in e.g. Germany it's not that bad. I've a masters degree and about 3 years work experience and am at around 6k a month (+ vacation bonus +christmas bonus +personal performance bonus +company retirement plan) which is quite average in southern germany at least for bigger company and engineering/technical roles.

6000EUR or 6000USD? If it is EUR then I can only say very well done! Can you please give us some subtle hint about company name?

EUR. Large industrial manufacturer. But as stated above, other friends working for Siemens, Bosch, BMW and the like don't earn less.

Re: Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?

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Post by salmonfamine » Tue, Feb 13, 2018, 4:43 PM UTC

bdcs wrote: post #406

salmonfamine wrote: post #212

I think the explanation for bimodal dev salaries is pretty clear, and is similar to the explanation for the bi-modality in Lawyer salaries. Google, Facebook, Amazon, and whatever other big name you want to throw in the pot, are competing for developers. However, they are not competing for the same developers as Epic Systems, for example. FAANG (or whatever) are competing for a highly skilled subset of devs that can m…

>Sure, if companies were able to immigrate significantly more workers, then salaries at top companies might drop to a degree Is this not the lump of labor fallacy?

Might be. I am not an economist. However, I think the rest of my point still stands without that concession.

Re: Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?

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Post by d0lph » Tue, Feb 13, 2018, 5:36 PM UTC

zbentley wrote: post #473

d0lph wrote: post #300

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And I think realizing these differences is maybe helpful somehow, but here is the reality: > In that sense it feels perversly exploitative and priveleged to make so much more money ... It seems to be more useful for shaming people. > ... that the world does not consider this to be their right. This seems to imply that those with privilege think their privilege is a right.

> It seems to be more useful for shaming people. It is sometimes used that way, but is (I think more) often used in a much more analytically useful sense: as a means of indexing passive/automatic advantages that some people benefit from, and as a lens into the ways that advantage might be extended to others. > This seems to imply that those with privilege think their privilege is a right. That doesn't follow logicall…

So privilege is useful primarily for charity?

> "...a reality for so many people that it's evident to them that the world does not..."

The dichotomy is those with privilege, and those without.

Re: Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?

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Post by gaius » Tue, Feb 13, 2018, 10:11 PM UTC

kamaal wrote: post #572

gaius wrote: post #298

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You most certainly can use a steam engine to make it possible to make a bigger steam engine by driving machine tools. So.

Stream engine can't modify itself. Sorry. Somebody using tool A to create tool B, isn't what we are discussing here. Tool A should modify itself to become Tool B. And Tool B should modify itself to become Tool C and so on...

Modify itself? OK, I will grant you that there are no sentient, self-aware steam engines.