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Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by kyrra »

wstrange wrote: post #538
raesene6 wrote: post #126

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I agree, the good thing about Apple and Microsoft is I know what they want to sell me. Apple want me to buy relatively expensive devices on a regular basis and ideally a cloud subscription. Microsoft want me to buy subscriptions to their cloud services and ideally devices running their OS. In both cases the value for them is fairly clear and they have limited incentives to do anything that might jepordise those reven…

> Personally I prefer to pay someone for a product/service directly. You can. Gapps for business. $5 a month. No scanning of your email, etc.

Google stopped email scanning even for free Gmail.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/technology/gmail-ads.ht...

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by grzm »

therealdrag0 wrote: post #577
grzm wrote: post #531

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Have you tried any of the Finder alternatives, such as Path Finder[0]? I'm not sure if it's a result of me adapting my workflow to the environment, but I find I don't actually use the Finder very much. Between ⇧⌘G (Go to Folder) and Launch Bar[1] (the first thing I install on a new system), actual Finder browsing is pretty rare for me. Of course, different people have different workflows and needs, and I can understa…

Some things that came to mind: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15334905 At one point I looked at alternatives, but I wasn't ready to buy one. And since most editors and IDEs have "Show in Finder" options, that I use sometimes, I'd still have to augment my workflow to get around it.

Thanks for enumerating. Having used Macs since System 5, I'm definitely more accustomed to ⌘O for Open across applications, including the Finder, but I can understand how muscle memory can be hard to rewire. And while I'm sympathetic to the frustrations of learning the idiosyncrasies of a new system, I'm sure you recognize memorizing (new) shortcuts for applications independent of platform is something is par for the course.

If these are true sticking points for you, I'd suggest taking a look at the Finder alternatives again. I wouldn't be surprised if the Show in Finder feature isn't overridden in these environments. I can't imagine that the points you've listed are likely to be changed in Finder: they're behaviors that have existed across many, many versions.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by bitmapbrother »

MrZipf wrote: post #444
bitmapbrother wrote: post #266

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Google doesn't sell user information. Also, Microsoft also has a search engine and ad business that do the exact same thing and just because it isn't successful that doesn't allow you to give them a free pass. Additionally, they preinstall third party bloatware on their OS and send tremendous amounts of telemetry back to their servers.

Microsoft does not preinstall third party bloatware, that's OEMs running on thin margins. There have been Microsoft efforts to share with OEMs the effect of bloatware on boot times and incentivizing boot time reduction.

Yes they do. My Windows 10 upgrade, which was from Microsoft, came with Candy Crush [1] and some third party PDF annotation app. They also added ads in their OS [2] to try and upsell you.

[1]https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/14/8606925/candy-crush-saga-...

[2]https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-window...

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by jaxn »

roblabla wrote: post #134
raesene6 wrote: post #126

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I agree, the good thing about Apple and Microsoft is I know what they want to sell me. Apple want me to buy relatively expensive devices on a regular basis and ideally a cloud subscription. Microsoft want me to buy subscriptions to their cloud services and ideally devices running their OS. In both cases the value for them is fairly clear and they have limited incentives to do anything that might jepordise those reven…

And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. The business models helps, but if you can both sell a product and get ad revenue, why wouldn't you ? In apple's case, they have a fairly small but dedicated marketshare that cares deeply about those issue. That's why I trust them to not sabotage their product. Microsoft has a monopoly, they don't need to care.

Apple also has an ad network on mobile. And they provide users with some opt-out functionality.

I won't be surprised if this gets challenged for anti-trust.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by eppsilon »

manmal wrote: post #369
lloeki wrote: post #208

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I personally own an entry-level Early 2013 Retina MacBook Pro with a i5/HD4000, and the iterative improvements they made with each major release really shine through. A machine that was previously described in every single review as underpowered on that department especially WRT Mission Control can now handle any number of windows I throw at it at a steady 60fps, including those blurs and transparencies which I previ…

Look at the iPhone for planned obsolescence.

It could be less planned obsolescence and more that iPhone/iPad hardware has gotten many times faster over the past few years while Mac hardware has improved by 50% at best.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by bitmapbrother »

larkost wrote: post #292
bitmapbrother wrote: post #266

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Google doesn't sell user information. Also, Microsoft also has a search engine and ad business that do the exact same thing and just because it isn't successful that doesn't allow you to give them a free pass. Additionally, they preinstall third party bloatware on their OS and send tremendous amounts of telemetry back to their servers.

Google absolutely sells access to "digested" user information. While your first sentence is technically correct since they don't directly give anyone the data, it is misleading at best. Google is in the business of selling selective eyeballs to advertisers, and has been a pioneer in using user data to try and target those add impressions.

Google charges clients for the ability to have their ads seen by the demographic of users they want to target. Under no circumstances does Google sell user data in any form and it's disingenuous to try and make people believe that they do.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by alphonsegaston »

jaxn wrote: post #584
roblabla wrote: post #134

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And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. The business models helps, but if you can both sell a product and get ad revenue, why wouldn't you ? In apple's case, they have a fairly small but dedicated marketshare that cares deeply about those issue. That's why I trust them to not sabotage their product. Microsoft has a monopoly, they don't need to care.

Apple also has an ad network on mobile. And they provide users with some opt-out functionality. I won't be surprised if this gets challenged for anti-trust.

I thought Apple killed iAds?

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by komali2 »

ethbro wrote: post #543
stouset wrote: post #522

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They don't even need to do this. Users will literally just click "Yes" to anything obstructing their path forward. http://i.imgur.com/H0uVqFe.jpg

I'm going to ask for a citation on that. Where is proof that average users will ignore reasonably worded security messages? Because as far as I can remember (Windows back to 95, MacOS back to the 6100), we (ie computer science professionals) have never done what I would even call an "acceptable" job at attempting this. And the argument, for 20+ years now, has always been "Har har, users are too dumb to read. We'll ju…

I mean, I feel like a big difference between me and my grandma is that I have an instinct for quickly getting to the "meat and potatoes" of whatever I'm doing on the computer.

I do a google search and click within 5 seconds the right link, even if the first couple are ads/irrelevant. When installing a program, I get through everything quickly, without wasting mental energy on the useless TOS and etc.

Whereas my grandma will see a TOS and think "oh my goodness, a contract! Do I need to sign this? What, should I read this?" Because she doesn't see many TOSs and doesn't get that they're not a legal document or whatever, and any actually interesting information is buried deep within swathes of legalize. She also doesn't have access to reddit/HN or whatever to quickly warn her if the TOS changes/contains heinous shit.

Anyway, I feel like this is why google and firefox buried their "untrusted website - go to it anyway" button in some clickies that even I have a hard time finding, to force people to actually consider the decision.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by astrange »

nicky0 wrote: post #575
blinkingled wrote: post #411

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> Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site trackingdata they leave behind. Do my Safari Google searches still go via Apple by default though? I guess that's totally ok if you're in Team Apple? It's just sadly naive to believe a corporation has your privacy interests in mind in the absolute.

When did Safari Google searches ever go via Apple? I think you have got a bit confused somewhere.

Safari's autocompletion in the address bar is proxied through Apple, with no records stored, with the purpose of hiding your IP address from Bing.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by eropple »

baldfat wrote: post #404
deong wrote: post #300

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Within large organizations, I don't think there's any replacement for Excel. Google docs are great as a Word replacement, but Google's spreadsheet offering is a spreadsheet. Excel is an extremely sophisticated development environment.

> I don't think there's any replacement for Excel That would be great. People over use Excel to no end and it causes problems. They need to use programming. Get people with R or Python and Pandas, or some other statistical program. (88% of Excel Spreadsheets contain human errors) These are human error. Use a program not an Excel sheet. https://www.forbes.com/sites/salesforce/2014/09/13/sorry-spr... One error cost $6…

> People over use Excel to no end and it causes problems. They need to use programming.

I'm sorry that the democratization of computing hurts you so, but Excel has done more for normal people who just need to push numbers around than perhaps any device since the pocket calculator. And it has exposed more people to functional programming than anything else has, ever.

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