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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by dang »

stonogo wrote: post #168

> This is very important people It's also complete bullshit. I actually live in a Trump-supporting area, and everyone I know who voted for him is ecstatic about this disgusting, offensive action. Trump is a bad person, and the people who voted for him are bad people, and I hope to God I 'push them away' as far as they'll get from me.

Please don't up the ante into total polarization. Regardless of how wrong your enemies are, doing this destroys substantive discussion, which is the point of this place.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508057 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by vivekd »

Does this mean foreign students and foreign workers from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen will have to leave America? That's really troubling. I wonder if Canada could step up and take the valuable human resource that America seems to be willing to throw away.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by leesalminen »

dwaltrip wrote: post #569
leesalminen wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am affected personally by this. > Although those countries aren't affected by the ban... So, you have not yet been personally affected? That's like saying German citizens have been personally affected by this action.

Compared to the post above, a German citizen has an incredibly smaller chance of being affected by any of Trump's future follow-up actions similar to the executive order that was just issued, so your comparison is invalid. If one has to come up with new contingencies based on radical shifts in the likelihood of extreme events, then of course they are directly affected.

I'm not so sure I agree. It seems to me that Germany is currently having issues identifying refugees entering their country as well as keeping its citizens safe.

If this trend continues, it wouldn't be too far fetched for the US to require "extreme vetting" of German document holders to enter the US.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by jannotti »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #525
Scirra_Tom wrote: post #86

I think it's shameful to have an open Trump supporter as part of the upper echelons of YCombinator (Thiel). Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But when you openly support a candidate who likes to "grab [women] by the pussy", and now is making headway into some sort of Muslim ban which was a campaign headline, how will female and muslim applicants feel if they know part of their process might be controlled by som…

I am a life time Democrat, but every time I hear someone bring up the poor taste pussy grabbing comments, I have to ask: do you give Bill Clinton a pass on what happened with Paula Jones? Listening to old interviews as a very young woman, Paula Jones paints an awful image of what Clinton did. There is plenty to criticize Trump for, but nasty comments are not as bad as nasty deeds.

He was reporting a deed. You are accepting Paula Jones comments as fact of a deed, but you are not accepting Trump's own self-report of his behavior as a deed. Remember that the tape also contained him saying things like, "I can't resist beautiful, I just kiss", and "They let you get away with it". These are not abstract tasteless comments, like saying something tasteless about a woman's body. These are self-reported "nasty deeds".

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by ftrflyr »

dang wrote: post #531
ftrflyr wrote: post #214

I'm sorry, but you fail to understand exactly what the ACLU stands for - the first word says it all. American. Green Card holders, refugees, and illegal immigrants are not Americans. We need to and should protect Americans first. Period. For all of you who don't understand not agree with this, perhaps you are unamerican?

> perhaps you are unamerican? Good grief. Incivility like this will get your account banned from Hacker News. Please don't do it again. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508058 and marked it off-topic.

Daniel go ahead. Take the moral high ground and ban me. I am done with this community anyway.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by jhall1468 »

rdtsc wrote: post #316
Scirra_Tom wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple right? Just destroy them. I'm sure Trump will be able to stablise the Middle East no problem. He's well versed in Middle Eastern politics and warfare and crucially he's got a level head and able to think decisions through properly which he's proven since becoming president.

> I'm sure Trump will be able to stablise the Middle East no problem. Well at least he'll stop arming them, that would be a good first step towards progress.

Oh? When did he sign that?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by idlewords »

general_ai wrote: post #100

First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…

This is a de facto Muslim ban dressed up enough to make it constitutional.

Please don't well-actually right now.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by Groxx »

467568985476 wrote: post #315
Groxx wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So by voting you're responsible for everything the person you voted for does? That leads to nobody but the extremes voting. Has there ever been a candidate who even talked 100% of what you would approve of? If no, why did you vote (or have you ever)?

Come on, banning Muslims was a _key campaign point_. He talked about it all the time during the primaries and the general election. So yes, I do hold people accountable for voting for this.

Every candidate has had key points that I've fundamentally disagreed with. And taken actions I fundamentally disagree with, which is even worse than campaign talking-points. Should I vote?

Edit: to be clear, I do think Trump is (and was) much further down the extreme side than others have been in recent history. But what you're advocating for does not make sense.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by raverbashing »

guildwriter wrote: post #571
raverbashing wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reviewing the visa process is fine However the lack of concern with Saudi Arabian citizens just shows how this is nothing but smoke and mirrors

"Saudi Arabia has long been at war with al Qaeda and its extremist affiliates. In August 1996, bin Laden called for jihad against both the United States and Saudi Arabia with the publication of his first fatwa. The 30-page “Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Sanctuaries” prompted the kingdom to revoke the al Qaeda leader’s Saudi citizenship and to divest him of his family fortune.…

Thanks for this comment. But the issue is more complicated w.r.t SA https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/world/middleeast/saudi-ar...

Agree with your Pakistan comments

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