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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by motoford » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:06 PM UTC

blakeyrat wrote: post #294

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

I live in a relatively small suburb of Seattle. I'm a software developer. There are no jobs for me where I live. None. None within 20 miles. The only job for me is in Seattle or Bellevue or Redmond, an hour-long commute. I love where I live, and I don't want to live in Seattle (which I could barely afford anyway-- I like owning a house). I also don't want to exclusively work-from-home and be cut-off socially from my…

[quote]If I had become a lawyer, I could work in any town in the US. Or a plumber, or a doctor, or a school administrator, or a tow truck driver, or a...[/quote]

There are software jobs outside of Seattle.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by eru » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:06 PM UTC

mtkd wrote: post #397

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

You can stop incentivising off-shoring of jobs - it's too easy for companies to close down profitable activities and move them abroad to make more profit If you drive out of any city in US or EU you'll see the devastation that has caused

I've been around Europe. What devastation are you talking about? It's a diverse place.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by a_thro_away » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:06 PM UTC

noobiemcfoob wrote: post #121

mitchpron wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Education. It's what Obama was emphasizing his entire presidency. Those jobs are never coming back, and even more are going to be automated. The education gap between rich and poor (and white and minority) is getting larger because of hoodlum-fearing mothers who support segregated neighborhoods and schools. Plus the poor-parent schools stay poor and the rich-parent schools stay rich. All of these factors together (wh…

Education helps the young, at least as our systems are built. The people vocalizing their opinion by voting for Trump are beyond the age where education can be the key (old dogs and new tricks, etc.). There isn't a will to go to an educational program. There is a will to work and support yourself, but no work for them to do... /because we can't get our shit together and fund infrastructure programs //Not bitter.

Education, educated IS work, and profitable, but apparently not the kind of preferred work. Just wondering aloud, how will Mr Trump satisfy the wealthy, wall street, and the fiscally conservative to do prevailing-wage infrastructure? The skilled trades were always ready and could have been doing this all along if it was valued by congress. How has anything changed?

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by lern_too_spel » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

gthtjtkt wrote: post #169

curiousgal wrote: post #61

Ctrl - F Sanders 0 results. Hadn't Hilary been dishonest and, as much as I hate the word, crooked enough to not allow Bernie to face Trump, this wouldn't have happened.

WikiLeaks summed it up pretty well: > By biasing its internal electoral market the DNC selected the less competitive candidate defeating the purpose of running a primary. Hillary, the DNC, and all their cronies deserved this. I would've voted for any Democrat who won the primary fair and square, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for someone who stole an election (and from one of the most well-liked candidates of al…

How did she steal the election, and how was her opponent, who received nearly 4 million fewer votes, one of the most well-liked candidates of all time? The data does not support your story.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by pforpineapple » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

norea-armozel wrote: post #235

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Well first, the DNC needs to stop sucking up to Wall Street and Silicon Valley elites. They should've gone with Sanders and stop tipping the scales for the Clintonistas just because they got connections with the elites. Hillary had her shot in 2008 and that should've been that. So they need to pull left...HARD. No more limousine liberalism. As for the RNC, they really really really really need to stop propping up the…

This is a pretty good summary of what needs to be done right here.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by inthewoods » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

"Now let's move forward on the direction that's been chosen and go about discussing it constructively."

A few thoughts on this:

- First, roughly half (and the majority of the votes) did not agree with this direction. That isn't much of a mandate.

- Second, the party that won has repeatedly shown that they don't want to work on compromise, or follow standard procedure such as allowing a sitting President to get a hearing for a nominee for the Supreme Court.

As a person that feels that this trifecta will change the country for years to come (as you rightly point out), my hope is that the Dems do exactly to Republicans what they've done for the last 4 years - obstruct in any way possible. I'm tired of one side feeling that they have to play by the rules and the other feeling they can ignore them. And I hope that Ruth Ginsburg serves at least for the first term.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by homulilly » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

People are saying this is about race and while I do think that's a big part of it, making it the whole story is dangerously counterproductive.

The Clinton camp basically offered nothing to working class people. Working class people of color turned out to vote for her because at least she wasn't spouting racist rhetoric but for working class whites who aren't concerned with race issues, if they're going to be equally neglected under either candidate, they may as well vote for the one who will be a brick through the window of the political establishment that has failed them. These are the voters who cost Clinton the election.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

thewhitetulip wrote: post #418

criddell wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. I couldn't disagree more. This campaign was all about emotion, not rationality. Apparently facts don't matter and that's very hard to deal with.

What I find truly amazing is how people say "RIP Democracy" (not all of them), when it were the people of the US who elected Trump, didn't they? Also that the media is totally disconnected with the ground reality, I know it is in my country, it is more in the US apparently.

Well, let's not forget that Hillary won the popular vote and lost the electoral college. More Americans wanted Hillary than Trump. And given all the flaws with the electoral college that are well documented (and the overwhelming majority of Americans that want to abolish the system), it's hard not to feel slighted. Especially when this happened before in 2000 and it appears it will continue to happen.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by vkou » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:08 PM UTC

mitchpron wrote: post #94

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Education. It's what Obama was emphasizing his entire presidency. Those jobs are never coming back, and even more are going to be automated. The education gap between rich and poor (and white and minority) is getting larger because of hoodlum-fearing mothers who support segregated neighborhoods and schools. Plus the poor-parent schools stay poor and the rich-parent schools stay rich. All of these factors together (wh…

Oversaturation through education isn't even the solution. We're looking at a future with not enough jobs.

Cutting the working week to 30 hours, on the other hand...

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by noobiemcfoob » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 6:08 PM UTC

oarsinsync wrote: post #299

noobiemcfoob wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't fathom you interpreting the result as a "loud mandate." The presidential race has been extremely tight with ~200,000 separating the two. Is that a clear mandate? No, it is a clear indication of the divisions in our country.

>> Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country > I can't fathom you interpreting the result as a "loud mandate." The presidential race has been extremely tight with ~200,000 separating the two. Is that a clear mandate? > No, it is a clear indication of the divisions in our country. Yes, the country is divided. A s…

They didn't take over all three major government branches. They "took over" one via the Presidency. They maintained their majorities in the legislature. They will maintain a hold on the Supreme Court by virtue of the Presidency, not public mandate.

In a strongly divided country, interpreting anything as a clear public mandate can be disastrous.