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Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by Excavator »

vehementi wrote: post #507
Zuider wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why did it take so long to deal with characters like violentacrez? He wasn't dealt with. He deleted his account in a frantic and futile attempt to avoid exposure. Violentacres/Violentacrez (had to block him twice) set himself up as king of the reddit underworld. The admins cast a blind eye to his antics, and in return he prevented the raw sewage from gushing onto the clean streets of the reddit front page. He was a…

Wait, who is right, you or danielweber above?

In so far as I can remember he had good relations with many on the staff and even ended up with a special icon next to his username.

The /r/SubredditDrama posts in regards to the incident are correct as I remember it:

Part I - violentacrez: https://archive.is/7ygdr

Part II - CreepShots: https://archive.is/8AVd8

Part 2 above ends with a link to VAs alleged last comments with an alt:

http://i.imgur.com/E8fCA.png

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by Natsu »

sharkweek wrote: post #70
revelation wrote: post #45

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You applaud them on a PR strategy that is akin to dictatorships all over the world denouncing opposition as "terrorists" and criminals? The community is not a coherent block. To give the impression that the criticism stems from an organized group of people that applaud and tolerate death threats is the equivalent of binding it to a strawman and lighting it on fire with gasoline.

The first rule of reddit is unsubscribing from all the default subs and searching for the ones most relevant to your interests. The day I discovered I could do that quickly made Reddit my favorite site on the web (/r/NFL, /r/homeimprovement, /r/television, etc). I'd love to see a discovery feature similar to that of Pinterest built into the signup process that algorithmically signs new users up for subreddits most re…

Make it decentralized and someday we'll reinvent usenet.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by axlprose »

orbitur wrote: post #508
axlprose wrote: post #455

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The point isn't whether it's "true" or "false", because that will vary depending on who you ask. Yes, even people you find disgusting are legitimate human beings with opinions too. Who are any of us to decide what is "right" or "wrong"? Good journalism is supposed to let you make those decisions on your own, not give them to you. So in order to be good journalism, it must be objective, and to not describe things in t…

> The point isn't whether it's "true" or "false", because that will vary depending on who you ask. Please, it seems like you're the one who needs to be honest. The most vocal, outraged reddit users are clearly sexist. Here's the top most used words in the petition. Sure, let's NOT use the word "sexism" here, since it's kind of unclear. https://www.reddit.com/r/circlebroke/comments/3cetav/i_made_...

It seems you missed what I tried to convey. I explicitly stated that the issue is objectiveness, and subjective terms, by definition cannot be objective. You can gather all the data in the world about reddit users and their mannerisms, but that does not change the way the logic behind 'objectivity' and 'subjectivity' work.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by jonlucc »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #558
mindslight wrote: post #157

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Erm, why should there be any "discipline" at all? Discussion sites (HN included) exist solely due to their users' laziness for using and/or creating better Free decentralized solutions and ensuing network effects. In exchange for this ease of use, the site inserts an epsilon of advertising and censorship. This is the extent of their value proposition. Eventually business/legal skinjobs take over, mistake the communit…

> Erm, why should there be any "discipline" at all? Because communities need moderators. A free for all is anarchy; enough shitbags will ruin any particular community. I've moderated a small forum, and that was a headache when I just had two trolls to deal with, and I still failed at it - people left because of those two people, enough of them that the forum is basically dead now. On a more cynical/business perspecti…

Sure, but the premise of Reddit is that mods can moderate as they see fit. Admins hadn't really been involved in shaping the content as much as keeping things running and legal.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by nohat »

That article was more suited for editorial than technology. Pao was hated mainly for things either done by reddit before her, or done by her before reddit. Unfortunately, as leaders often are, she was held responsible for both. That being said she was interim, and was apparently not aligned with reddit culturally. That's an internet thing, not, as this article was so quick to claim, a gender thing.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by [deleted] »

vehementi wrote: post #507
Zuider wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why did it take so long to deal with characters like violentacrez? He wasn't dealt with. He deleted his account in a frantic and futile attempt to avoid exposure. Violentacres/Violentacrez (had to block him twice) set himself up as king of the reddit underworld. The admins cast a blind eye to his antics, and in return he prevented the raw sewage from gushing onto the clean streets of the reddit front page. He was a…

Wait, who is right, you or danielweber above?

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Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by jonlucc »

tmerr wrote: post #462
puranjay wrote: post #200

As someone who frequents only a couple of subs on Reddit (which were completely insulated from this fiasco), I have no idea why people were so pissed off. So she made a bad decision. Big f cking deal. "She's killing the community!". Well, if your idea of 'community' is making public rape threads (while you use a throwaway) and threaten to kill a person, then maybe your community deserves to die. Reddit has a lot* of…

I think users were pissed off because of the lack of transparency. No one knew what the admins were deleting. It was up to the community to find out which subreddits were banned and why. Further the admins never logically explained their decisions, for example, to ban fph over srs. From the outside it seemed like an arbitrary power trip. And for what? Reddit's moderation system is perfect: let users form their own co…

It seems to me that HN is more like a single subreddit than Reddit as a whole. The admin action on HN feels more like mod action on Reddit, because there is no larger umbrella above HN.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by SloopJon »

jodah wrote: post #346
otterley wrote: post #277

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Do you have a primary source for this information?

Not sure what the downvoting is all about - let's hope you never get cancer. The source is the employee himself who did an AMA that was partially censored by Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3c0idl/i_am_dacvak_fo... It was on HN a while back.

> The source is the employee himself who did an AMA that was partially censored by Reddit

It looks like Dacvak deleted his own posts: "Edit: I've removed this post. All future discussions regarding this subject will be between me and reddit."

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

buckbova wrote: post #130
nhf wrote: post #10

I think this was the right thing to do from a PR perspective. Having Steve back as the new CEO will definitely be good for the community. I also applaud Reddit's announcement for calling the community out on their childish BS: > As a closing note, it was sickening to see some of the things redditors wrote about Ellen. [1] The reduction in compassion that happens when we’re all behind computer screens is not good for…

> The reduction in compassion that happens when we’re all behind computer screens is not good for the world. People are still people even if there is Internet between you. That is humanity. People are narcissistic assholes. If the average person wasn't scared of what would happen or how they're perceived they'd punch you right in the face for looking in their direction. That's what internet anonymity does. Brings out…

Stop using Mother Teresa as a pinnacle of good. She was a terrible human who thought suffering was good and gave people a place to suffer, not to heal.
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