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Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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Again you're back to what we've already established the web is ideal for. It's original intended purpose- simple document sharing. It's been doing this since the early 90s. While sharing info on Wikipedia is great, where the web fails is competing with native apps. Other than sharing HTML text documents (and there are projects working to replace that too), it doesn't get chosen over native apps. Also, I'd still say t…

Why do I get to target iOS only with my email client on the one hand, but I have to support "all browsers" on the other? Stop stacking the deck, ok? > If you were in anything but a desk job, it'd be the complete opposite. ...and if I were a banana, I'd probably prefer sunshine. I'm saying there are cases for me where the web is way better, even on mobile. You can't prove to me that's not true, because it is. It's lik…

I just said iOS as an example. I didn't mean to make it appear I was stacking the deck, you could use Xamarin and target all platforms if you wanted. That's still easier than supporting all browsers over time. All browsers over time with a complex app like Gmail? Forget it.

But the issue I was trying to convey is that you're an edge case and in an increasingly marginal pool as time goes on. Most people aren't sitting at the computer all day, and even if they do (we'll say so for sake of argument), they stay off personal email at work (a good idea). And they use their phone yet still. That's what I do. I'm at a desk all day as well, and never login to personal stuff on my work network/machine. That's where iOS gets its use.

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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With the .NET Framework actually declining, Swift still being far away from the server and frameworks like Meteor, JS seems to have a really good position. With that said I will root for Clojure + ClojureScript. One could theoretically build a framework much more advanced than Meteor, on the same code-sharing principles.

How so is .NET declining? I haven't heard this.

This is purely based on numbers, but still might be a little subjective. Nevertheless here it is: https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=1E5AA35A965D3234%2...

Re: “Swift will be open source later this year”

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The same was said about FaceTime... http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/facetime-open-standard-... Sadly, this never came to fruition, supposedly due to legal complications. Since they own Swift, and the underlying compiler infrastructure this may be simpler to pull off.

FaceTime was my first thought, too. An awesome promise that failed to deliver. It'll be really interesting to see if a video chat format ever becomes a standard, or if we're all forced to keep accounts with multiple vendors for interoperability (skype, hangouts, facetime, etc).

A lot of this has really been blocked by Google before; when they stopped interop with XMPP. XMPP was meant to cross company borders and allow video/media to be built on top of that (with something like RTP & h264).
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