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Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by babby »

raganwald wrote: post #392

My experience is this: Some time ago, I wrote a post about CoffeeScript. As you may know, CoffeeScript is a whitespace-specific programming language. I am black, and there is a small cultural wiggle-room when it comes to black people making fun of colour-based cultural issues. So I thought I could get away with calling my post "White Power." The response was immediate and scathing. Regardless of whether I was persona…

>I thought I could get away with calling my post "White Power."

See, you just gained respect from me. I suppose it's all about the community in the end. If you linked that article on /g/ or /prog/ it probably would have resonated.

It's too bad most people are such slaves to political correctness.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by KuraFire »

rds2000 wrote: post #549
ceol wrote: post #524

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> but if you were look them up, they're twittering and having fun more than building. The irony of this comment being in a long-winded post on Hacker News is lost, perhaps? You do realize the vast majority of "programmers" aren't building 100% of the time. Judging by that and the fact you throw out "feminist" like it's an insult, I'm going to say you've got some pretty heavy bias.

I don't want to make personal examples, if you compare the look at the replies to @defunkt's twitter post, the females cheering - who even go so far as to overly call themselves feminists - have basically no engineer cred to speak for. Not on github, not on LinkedIn. Judging by that and the fact you throw out "feminist" like it's an insult, I'm going to say you've got some pretty heavy bias. Bias? Feminists on twitte…

Have you ever considered the idea that your apparent dislike towards all things and people described as "feminist" suggests that you have, over the course of your seemingly-angry life, adopted a huge amount of misogynistic perspectives on things? Because, hate to break it to you, but you were born a feminist. Everyone is. Every person that has ever lived on planet Earth was born a feminist. Because the idea that women are somehow in any way inferior to men is a completely fabricated notion by a sexist society that instills these views onto people (meaning all of us), and feminism at its most fundamental is simply the premise that women and men are not different (in terms of hierarchical notions, like one being better than the other, or more "valuable", …etc.), which is the default view of any newborn mind.

You are born a feminist; if you don't die a feminist, you lost a bit of your humanity during your life.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by yeukhon »

donotsurveil wrote: post #547
yeukhon wrote: post #503

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There will always be people who don't agree with you. Someone even said that Python can be thought of a slang for male sexual organ. In Chinese, turtle head is slang for the head of the male sexual organ. If I name it turtlehead, I can called sexist by some Chinese feminist. But in my example that's probably a bad name to start with anyway. But is bro-page in the same category as turtle head? My opinion is not. I rea…

To me it's not a gender issue, it is that bro is synonym for obnoxious, annoying, stupid, disrespectful among others.

We have different opinion and if that's how you feel then it obviously is not sexism then.

I am not sure how it's disrespectful. If the annoying and stupid part comes from the popular culture use of "bro" in movie and street, well maybe it's the environment the person is in. I have met a girl from another country and whoever she talks to she would address the person as sir or madam. It sounds respectful but after a while it sounds annoying and stupid because she can just call the person Mr. X or Mrs. X.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by unreal37 »

scblock wrote: post #100
fleshweasel wrote: post #49

If you are getting that upset about the use of the word bro you have bigger problems

Actually no. Perpetuating the "boys only" impression many programmers seem to want to cultivate is bad. The name is exclusionary, and a poor joke.

If this tool was invented 20 years ago, before the whole brogrammer thing took over the term bro, everyone would have thought it was a clever play on man pages. Seems the word bro itself has become offensive, even if used in a non-offensive context.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by edhebert »

donotsurveil wrote: post #291
paul wrote: post #155

Awesome idea. Shame about the humorless nature of this community. To me, a "bro" is a dumb, fratboy version of a man, which makes the name hilariously perfect. If you're feeling oppressed and excluded by a command name, your real problems lie elsewhere.

You got it all wrong, the name of a command has to be practical and be related the actual use of the command. Naming your command based on an inside joke renders it pretty useless to those outside who don't get the joke and hard to find when you don't already know the name. Less being named from more makes sense, both are common terms and less is more. But bro as a related thing to man when it is actually something t…

  $ ack --thppt

  _   /|
  \'o.O'
  =(___)=
     U    ack --thppt!

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by etjossem »

smoyer wrote: post #165
blahedo wrote: post #99

Great idea; shame about the name. Here's the problem with using words like "bro" (however jokingly): the problem is not with what you [0] are thinking when you read the word "bro", but with what other people , especially newcomers, are thinking. The locker-room atmosphere that stuff like this creates is a huge barrier to entry for a lot of people, women especially, who infer that on top of all the technically difficu…

Yes, the name is goofy at best, but I'm guessing it was a play on "man" pages. I would have thought a small format "man" page would be a "boy" page, but that still has the gender connotation. If you think about what a short format "manual" page would be, perhaps a "pamphlet" (pamp?) or "brochure" (bro) makes sense (tongue in cheek at the moment). I was also sad to learn that I needed Ruby on my computers (I don't gen…

How about "min" pages - minified manual pages?

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by vectorpush »

jtheory wrote: post #500
belorn wrote: post #428

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Such comments has a high potential to create a hostile environment for discussion. You don't get to decide if people will interpret your post as you putting "bro" and "nigger" in same category. Now some will be offended and hurt.

Eh, only those who don't read the actual comment. It didn't equate them.

That's an ironic response, some (not I) might say you're being a little insensitive to those who find that word unacceptable to use in any circumstance, though unreasonable it might seem to you, I mean, jeeze, you were only making an analogy was all!

I read your comment and understand that you're not saying the two terms are equal, rather, you're trying to demonstrate that it is not unusual for someone outside of the persecuted group to be offended by words intended to offend members of the persecuted group. Yet, were I the type to take offense, I might find it quite offensive that you used what is widely considered the most offensive word in the English language to make a hyperbolic and inapt analogy.

The word 'nigger' is a pejorative racial slur intended to wound when it is used, whereas the word 'bro' is commonly associated with friendship and brotherhood. And douchebag frat guys.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by pessimizer »

etjossem wrote: post #553
donotsurveil wrote: post #551

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Julia is a first name which is free of negative association. Bro is associated with obnoxious, stupid, despicable, disrespectful.

Git is associated with completely ignorant, childish, and lacking in manners. So what? It's the name of a piece of software, and if there's sufficient adoption, it starts to lose its old meaning in a tech context. Which, for "bro", is fine by me.

Git isn't gendered.

Re: Bro pages: like man pages, but with examples only

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Post by kaybe »

aiiane wrote: post #509
smokeyj wrote: post #393

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> Exclusionary behaviour stands between me and my dream, and I will crush it by any means necessary. I like your sentiment, but I have a hard time imagining women out there who feel excluded by things like the name of a software package. I would love to see more brains in software, but I don't think word play is a major barrier. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I would like to hear from first hand sources -- not a…

You rang? I normally avoid commenting on crap like this because people like you are a pain to talk to, but since you seem to want to take advantage of me not engaging with people like you to argue that I don't exist... hi, I exist. Now please stop it with that terrible argument.

I would probably not have put it like this, but me too..
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