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Re: Soylent Campaign

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Post by papsosouid »

salemh wrote: post #222
katbyte wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as i love cooking, there are times where i would love something that is quick and healthy. not to say soylent is that, just that it would be nice.

Not sure whats wrong with blending some protein powder (ON is tasty), a full avocado, spinach if your feeling frisky, whole-milk if your feeling more frisky (higher fats / a bit more protein) for a near-meal replacement (near, nothing compares to whole foods). ~400 cals or so. Or taking it further with blending/vitamixing (so you keep the fiber) veggies. I thought this was the most hilarious article I've read. And it…

Your claim is not backed by any evidence at all. There is nothing special or magical about "whole foods". And what is wrong with what you just mentioned is that now I need to keep fresh fruits and vegetables and milk on hand, those spoil. Your proposed meal replacement is also incredibly deficient in over half of known vitamins and essential minerals.

Re: Soylent Campaign

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Post by papsosouid »

salemh wrote: post #222
katbyte wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as i love cooking, there are times where i would love something that is quick and healthy. not to say soylent is that, just that it would be nice.

Not sure whats wrong with blending some protein powder (ON is tasty), a full avocado, spinach if your feeling frisky, whole-milk if your feeling more frisky (higher fats / a bit more protein) for a near-meal replacement (near, nothing compares to whole foods). ~400 cals or so. Or taking it further with blending/vitamixing (so you keep the fiber) veggies. I thought this was the most hilarious article I've read. And it…

Your claim is not backed by any evidence at all. There is nothing special or magical about "whole foods". And what is wrong with what you just mentioned is that now I need to keep fresh fruits and vegetables and milk on hand, those spoil. Your proposed meal replacement is also incredibly deficient in over half of known vitamins and essential minerals. Take my default challenge for the "oh its so easy to get all your vitamins and minerals" people: put together a recipe for me that gives me 100% of all my vitamins and minerals. When you actually try doing this, you will realize how unreasonable it is.

Re: Soylent Campaign

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Post by papsosouid »

w1ntermute wrote: post #171
pogden wrote: post #166

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I don't have a scientific background but I still manage to do okay choosing my own food at the grocery store. Soylent doesn't have to be the pinnacle of human nutrition, it just has to be better than burritos and ramen and freezer pizza.

> I still manage to do okay choosing my own food at the grocery store That's because the FDA regulates food. Read The Jungle [0] if you want to know how things were before the FDA existed. These guys need to understand that biotech is nothing like tech and shut this shit down before they kill someone. There's a good reason why you don't see uneducated teenagers "disrupting" the food and drug industries. This isn't li…

>That's because the FDA regulates food.

Which is precisely the reason your fear-mongering is nonsense. The FDA isn't going to suddenly disappear because these guys are selling the same thing tons of other companies sell: meal replacement shake mix.

Re: Soylent Campaign

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Post by papsosouid »

thezoid wrote: post #393
tree6014 wrote: post #375

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To anyone seriously considering doing something like this, you will find that the carbs are challenging to get into a shake. You can get all the right vitamins and minerals. On that note, don't use calcium carbonate like he does unless you want kidney stones; use calcium citrate. You can get high quality CFM whey protein assuming you're okay with getting all your protein from whey (grilled chicken is still a better i…

Whey protein only works if you don't already have some kind of dietary restriction like lactose intolerance, which I do. Mind you, I really enjoy eating my food and am not looking for a shortcut to "just get nutrients".

There is too little lactose in whey protein for it to give any symptoms even to people with the most extreme lactose intolerance (absolutely zero lactase production).

Re: Soylent Campaign

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Post by d23 »

blhack wrote: post #369

Wow there is a lot of hate in this thread... A lot of the arguments here seem to boil down to "Much smarter people are working on this and they haven't solved it, who the hell does this KID think he is?!?" That's pretty depressing for a website that, at least originally, was to help startups talk to one another. Shame on you, hacker news. You're smarter than this. By this logic, never ever trust your data to anybody…

This is clearly parody. This is clearly parody. This is clearly parody.

I am genuinely surprised that the people of HN can not see that. I expected the conversation to at least be about whether it was parody vs. not, not about whether it was healthy or not.

Re: Soylent Campaign

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Post by papsosouid »

nsxwolf wrote: post #451
bfioca wrote: post #301

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So is baby formula not food?

Baby formula has rigorous research behind it.

So does soylent. You realize people already live entirely off of similar products right? You do understand feeding tubes are a thing right? What do you think goes into them?

http://www.nestlenutritionstore.com/departments/therapeutic-...

Re: Soylent Campaign

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Post by papsosouid »

tinco wrote: post #228
jckt wrote: post #206

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Do you mind explaining why Soylent is the solution for metabolically disadvantaged people as opposed to a "traditionally balanced diet"?

Because the idea of being being metabolically disadvantaged is that you can't eat a traditionally balanced diet. Soylent has none of the complex/unnecessary/unhealthy chemical substances tradional diets (milk,bread,nuts,fish) have that are the frequent object of intolerances.

No, in this context "metabolically disadvantaged" means "fat and don't want to make an effort to fix it". There is no intolerance, it is just "I want to stop being fat, but pretending to half-follow a fad diet didn't work, so I will call it a medical problem".

Re: Soylent Campaign

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Post by papsosouid »

DanBC wrote: post #17

Some people said that it was only a matter of time before this person started charging money for this crank product, and I guess this proves them right. He's making a number of health claims on that page. I'm curious about the legality of doing so; it's not legal in the UK unless he meets some pretty strict criteria. > If not for this waste there would be plenty of food to adequately nourish everyone alive. Waste foo…

>Some people said that it was only a matter of time before this person started charging money for this crank product

Like he explicitly said he was going to do from the start? Man, those people must be clairvoyant.

Re: Soylent Campaign

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Post by papsosouid »

ellyagg wrote: post #292
alex_c wrote: post #224

I read this initially assuming it to be a clever spoof on the whole startup / crowdsourcing scene, because of the name: pick something that is obviously a joke product ("Soylent Green is people!") and run with it - start piling on impressive claims, include startup-y backgrounds for the founders, and be really vague about what the product actually is. Given my initial interpretation, I thought the "Is soylent vegan a…

Yep, I thought it was a joke at first, too. Since the term soylent is widely understood to mean human remains masquerading as food, the name suggests pretense. He wrote: Before I rarely had enough energy to go to the gym, but this day I had plenty so I decided to put the diet to the test. I'd been running off and on for several months, never able to do more than a mile straight, but this day I ran 3.14 miles non-stop…

>what advantage they'll be able to offer over established meal replacement drinks like Ensure

Ensure isn't remotely close to nutritionally complete. We're not talking about your mythical unknown magic plant powers here, we're talking known vitamins and essential minerals, with established RDIs, that Ensure and similar products do not come anywhere close to providing enough of. If you can show me a product that is actually nutritionally complete (provides 100% of the RDI of all vitamins and minerals with an RDI) then you have an argument.

Re: Soylent Campaign

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Post by papsosouid »

DanBC wrote: post #183
rcvassallo wrote: post #178

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>> claiming you can go on and on on just one food source for long periods of time without extensive testing is just irresponsible. How can pets tolerate eating the same food for a long period of time? Most cat and dog owners get one brand of food for their pet and stick with it for years at a time. Are our digestive systems really that different?

Most pet food is made by a few manufacturers. They have a lot of labs testing and refining different recipes. There are foods for fat pets; foods to clean teeth; food for kidney health. Pet foods have considerable number of patents. Talk to British people about dog excrement, and there are people of a certain age who remember dog poo being white and furry. People want a food that produces a nice firm stool, that's ea…

You vastly overestimate the quality control, safety testing, and labelling requirements of pet foods. Pet food does not need to be certified, or pass any tests to be sold. Pet food is labelled according to AAFCO guidelines, which merely specifies how much protein/fat/calcium/phosphorous and a few other things are required. That's it. Those pet foods for fat dogs and old dogs and young dogs and kidney health and shiney coat and furballs and clean teeth are just ordinary pet food. They do not need to be different in any way. The manufacturer can literally put the exact same food into all of those bags, and none of the claims on them need to be verifiable.

>Talk to British people about dog excrement, and there are people of a certain age who remember dog poo being white and furry

That is because they remember dogs eating meat. Now dogs eat corn. There is no patent on dog food that makes white poop.

>Notice, also, that pet food is often a mix of biscuits and meat, or just meat, or just biscuits

This is for the benefit of marketing the product to people, it has nothing to do with nutrition.

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