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Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

All this is happening because many Silicon Valley CEOs are totally disconnected from humanity. I actually dont think Mark even sees his employees as human beings but rather as training data from a future where AI agents will just replace most of his workforce.

Regardless of wether this is right or wrong, and not even getting into the correctness of such claims, the fact is that he fired 10000 employees, from what used to be, from the outside, an engineering first company. And he sent hints to the market that more layoffs would come as agents become better.

The first problem is: it looks we still need human beings, AI is great, but its not as awesome as we initially thought.

The second problem is: all people who can leave are leaving, and those who can't are looking for a job. Humans, we need stability, a steady flow of income, and joy in what we do. By firing people and putting them in permanent observation, for an AI that will replace them, he is destroying any reason anybody would ever want to work for such a company.

Mark would make a great Lumon CEO

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

#572

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I never told you what prompt to even feed your AI my guy. As far as I know, you can be like rip this repo to shreds and tell me what’s wrong with it and you’ll get your answer. Crazy how you guys blindly trust proprietary apps where you can’t even read the code but asking you to read open-source code is psychosis?

> Crazy how you guys blindly trust proprietary apps where you can’t even read the code Wow okay, I'm a huge open source advocate, I run hardly anything closed source. No one here was talking about that, this is your own weird segue. > but asking you to read open-source code is psychosis But you didn't ask that. You told me to get an agent to read it (actually, not even read it, make its own quality assessment for me)…

You say you only use open-source and I’m the same way but I’ve asked agents to evaluate open-source alternatives. How is that psychosis? If it’s typescript or JavaScript, I can read the code but if it’s Rust/Go/etc, yeah I get AI to read it and tell me if it can solve my problem or if it has the features I need.

It’s actually the whole premise of my open source alternative directory called Opensource Builders[0].

0. https://opensource.builders

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

#573

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What is a popular CEO? They're generally untrustworthy people.

Gabe Newell (president, not CEO) comes to mind

I really worry about what happens to Valve as a company after he steps down.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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I don't like Zuckerberg whatsoever, but there are plenty of reasons you could potentially care about his opinion: - He could be well-placed to see whether AI agent development is successful since at a high level he oversees much of it, and will be getting detailed metrics and things. - Whether or not his opinion is correct, tech CEOs are notorious trend-chasers, and his opinion could set the tone for other companies.…

Being a CEO of a large corporation doesn't guarantee you the latest tech insight. You will be easily surrounded by yes men who speak what you wanted to hear.

Case in point: Metaverse.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

#576

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

>Who cares

He spoke at an internal town hall for Meta. His employees care...

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

#577

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

unlike sam altman who basically invented the transfomer

I thought that he invented the computer chip?

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

#578

I think what everyone underestimated was the absolute bonkers amount of compute it will take and how that compute must scale in order to keep up with larger and larger models.

No I don't think there was any systemic underestimation of compute. I see the opposite - every company understands compute is important and tries to get hold of it.

If you invest 100B dollars into compute while asking for 1T, but in reality would need 100T dollars to meaningfully move the needle, you're still significantly underestimating the amount of compute needed, despite not getting as much as you wanted.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

#579

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

Those who've made AI their entire personality really do seem to lack the emotional fortitude to deal with someone else having an opinion.

I'm anti Zuck, but it's mostly because he's a lizard man with no morals. You are anti Zuck because he's mentioned that the promise of AI isn't going to the moon as promised. We are not the same.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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The thing is: I could produce 2-3 times as much code as before _without_ an LLM, if I didn't care about my colleagues' ability to review my output properly. Lines of code are a liability, not an asset. You want as few of them as you can get away with, without compromising the actual asset: the functionality. A huge part of the job of Software Engineering is producing the right amount of code at the right time.

This is the thing. You "spend" lines of code, you dont produce it. The produced part is the outcome - a functional feature, stability improvements, some business outcome. Measuring productivity with LoCs is like measuring output with cash burn.

> Measuring productivity with LoCs is like measuring output with cash burn.

companies are doing that as well lol (re: tokenmaxxing)

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