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Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by phyzix5761 »

wookmaster wrote: post #508

It’s so odd to me how companies decided what LLMs are capable of without data backing it up. Were all the execs conned or something ?

They never use data to make decisions. I used to ask my managers for ROI analysis on new features they wanted to work on and they would stare blankly at me like I was speaking a foreign language. These people do things by "instincts" and for optics not because they've done any kind of analysis. Its easy for departments to be inefficient if your company is making billions of dollars per year. The million dollar losses go unnoticed.

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Post by surgical_fire »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #468
xantronix wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem like a person who works at a place that doesn't have an AI mandate. That sounds nice. I miss when we had nice things in the world like that. I will never take that for granted again.

as a CTO, its been crazy pushing back against these AI mandates. Almost always from VCs and non technical contributors. I'm pretty liberal about using AI but it has its limits. I think of them like swim fins. you can dive much deeper with them but if you didn't earn that ability, you can find yourself too deep to get your next breath of air. likewise, its important to never let the ai do work more than one ring outsi…

The company I work for, thankfully, is a bit like that.

The AI initiative there is a lot more in "let's try to find ways that this can be useful" instead of "let's use this to the maximum extent".

So far it has been a mostly positive experience. We could figure out ways where it saves time instead of burning money in a token pit.

The only downside is that code reviews are becoming the bottleneck. Every PR still needs a human reviewer, and that is not changing. The influx of PRs increased slightly, the rate of reviews not as much.

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Post by PaulKeeble »

conductr wrote: post #510

I hope they demanded salary of 2x or more to return

Quite a few of the top talent has been picked up by their competitors, whatever they do they are not going to restore their team. The psychological safety has been broken and that will hamper their productivity forever.

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Post by [deleted] »

rileymat2 wrote: post #560
Avicebron wrote: post #543

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At the very least they should be held accountable for their actions. Weird how ruining people's lives is rewarded and celebrated with bonuses.

It makes sense if ruining lives is good for the company, firing and layoffs that are /necessary/ are hard for anyone with empathy. They should be rewarded for doing that.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

tgv wrote: post #526
Forgeties79 wrote: post #505

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The reason I’m saying capitalism is because the context is employment + the US. In the US employment is everything. It’s social status, it’s the roof over your head, it’s healthcare, it’s your identity. Similar issues exist in communism too. It doesn’t mean you can just go “but communism” to dismiss me when I raise an accurate and valid critique of the system Ford operates in.

It wasn't meant as a riposte or anything. I just didn't read "capitalism" as "the system" but more as "the root cause" and hence what has to be changed.

In the US context, it is certainly a root cause among others.

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Post by therobots927 »

orphea wrote: post #569
therobots927 wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were conned because there’s been a massive top down propaganda campaign at the highest levels of corporate America that GAI is right around the corner.

Saying they were conned sounds like naming them victims of some trick and moving the responsibility away from them. Nah. It's not conning; it's stupidity and lack of critical thinking.

Fair point!

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Post by murphomatic »

xantronix wrote: post #358
murphomatic wrote: post #341

Get ready for this to become a common theme. Boardrooms are still engaged in the fever-dream promise that AI will solve all their problems, particularly those involving pesky humans. The simple lesson of "AI is another tool" will be a hard-learned one. Some industries, such as software, will take more time to mop themselves into a corner before they discover that velocity should never be a first-class concern. Speed…

You seem like a person who works at a place that doesn't have an AI mandate. That sounds nice. I miss when we had nice things in the world like that. I will never take that for granted again.

Our AI mandate is coming. I'm trying hard to be a voice of reason, but it's bows and arrows against the lightning, I'm afraid.

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Post by SE5pc3JhY2lzdA »

breakpointalpha wrote: post #121

US software engineers need a union. If I hadn't already landed a job somewhere else, I would only return with a 20% pay bump and an iron-clad contract.

Unions add another layer of bureaucracy to make small changes. This is the exact opposite of how software and technology works.

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Post by SE5pc3JhY2lzdA »

qsxfthnkp2322 wrote: post #55

Management at these USA companies could give zero fucks about you. It’s a disease that has spread throughout all of capitalism. But that’s USA 250 years.

As opposed to? The government? union leaders? Nobody really cares about you, unless you are a friend or your family.
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