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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by pandaman »

FunnyUsername wrote: post #569
pandaman wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give an example of a friendly fire on a warship consisting of continuous air and naval attack over the course of two hours? Just one? Friendly fire will suffice, I am not even asking about some other country doing the same to the US. As for Israel motivation it's pretty obvious why they did it - they wanted to blame the attack on Egypt and involve the US in the war. Though it does not really matter, even you…

Screwups happen, and it wasn't only on Israel's side. USS Liberty was way closer to the coast/warzone than it should have been due to missing an order, and once attacked, wasn't able to even communicate with its fleet for quite a while, let alone with Israel. > they wanted to blame the attack on Egypt There was no attempt to blame Egypt, and the idea is completely implausible - a US investigation could very easily di…

So I figure you could not find an example of friendly fire like that despite your assertion they happen all the time? Color me unsurprised.

>There was no attempt to blame Egypt

Are you an LLM? Of course there was not - the ship survived and there were too many witnesses of Israel doing this, it would be the uber chutzpa to still try to say it was Egypt.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by FunnyUsername »

pandaman wrote: post #571
FunnyUsername wrote: post #569

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Screwups happen, and it wasn't only on Israel's side. USS Liberty was way closer to the coast/warzone than it should have been due to missing an order, and once attacked, wasn't able to even communicate with its fleet for quite a while, let alone with Israel. > they wanted to blame the attack on Egypt There was no attempt to blame Egypt, and the idea is completely implausible - a US investigation could very easily di…

So I figure you could not find an example of friendly fire like that despite your assertion they happen all the time? Color me unsurprised. >There was no attempt to blame Egypt Are you an LLM? Of course there was not - the ship survived and there were too many witnesses of Israel doing this, it would be the uber chutzpa to still try to say it was Egypt.

Your demand for a highly specific friendly-fire incident seems a bit silly. Can you cite an example of the opposite - a tiny country intentionally attacking a ship of a superpower, then pretending it was accidental, giving a apology and millions of dollars of reparations?

And of course I'll demand the same arbitrary specificity - it needs to be a two-hour-long multi-domain assault. Also it needs to be a VC2-S-AP3 type ship whose name ends with "Liberty". If you don't have such examples, I suppose we can stop entertaining your conspiracy theory?

> there were too many witnesses of Israel doing this

Even if there were no eventual survivors, there would still be people throughout the fleet talking on the radio. They would have noticed and communicated about the movements of large ships from Israeli ports, among other very obvious signs of an Israeli operation. There would have been absolutely zero chance of the US not knowing who was behind it.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by za3faran »

stale2002 wrote: post #570
za3faran wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we know about what they call the "Samson option". The west supported and allowed an extremely brutal, unhinged colonizer do whatever it wanted right after WW2 and now everyone has to pay the price. If they use it, the entire world will suffer, not just the neighboring region. This is yet another reason why they must be quickly stopped. We of course care about human life (unlike the occupation). I don't know what…

> This is yet another reason why they must be quickly stopped. Nuclear weapons are meant to stop countries from being destroyed, for every country that has thems. Thats why countries get those nuclear weapons in the first place. To use in a last resort in case they are destroyed. They even have fancy words for it, like "mutually assured destruction". I doubt you have invented a nuke shield. Meaning that, for all coun…

Politics shift extremely quickly, and it's very well known that only a handful of people in power support the zionist entity. There are no real alliances with israel from Muslim nations if that's what you are alluding to. Maybe one or two rulers are attempting to form some sort of deal, but this does not sit well with the population at all. Remember that you have ~2 billion Muslims, and the Palestinian issue is one of the most important, if not the most important issue for all of them.

WW2 left a lot of destruction, yet things got rebuilt and the world moved on. The mongols left a trail of destruction and atrocities, but the victims recovered. What's happening today is no different. This is not to make light of the suffering of the victims of the zionists, but it means that they will not give up.

This is not an Arab issue, it's a Muslim issue. The zionists are trying to make it a racial issue (as a form of projection), but it's far from it.

> They didn't have nuclear weapons.

They had chemical weapons that they used on civilians.

What these latest conflicts have shown is how weak and frail the occupation is, it has always been the case. The internal rift going on there may very well expand to a civil war. There are many ways out of this instead of brute military force that eliminates everyone.

Iran is still standing, and the war that now the whole world knows israel is behind, has made so many people stand up against them. We are seeing people convert to Islam from all different racial and religious backgrounds. Injustice will not last forever. There are even American politicians making it clear they do not receive funding from AIPAC when they run. Give it a generation or two, their public perception is down the drain, and they know this all too well, and they're panicking.

> Then the solution is simple. Give up on the idea of trying to destroy a nuclear armed country. Just accept peace instead

We have no issues with peace. Give back the land to its native people, and they will decide who stays and who leaves. The western nations that enabled this genocide and colonialist project can take in those who leave.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by pandaman »

FunnyUsername wrote: post #572
pandaman wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I figure you could not find an example of friendly fire like that despite your assertion they happen all the time? Color me unsurprised. >There was no attempt to blame Egypt Are you an LLM? Of course there was not - the ship survived and there were too many witnesses of Israel doing this, it would be the uber chutzpa to still try to say it was Egypt.

Your demand for a highly specific friendly-fire incident seems a bit silly. Can you cite an example of the opposite - a tiny country intentionally attacking a ship of a superpower, then pretending it was accidental, giving a apology and millions of dollars of reparations? And of course I'll demand the same arbitrary specificity - it needs to be a two-hour-long multi-domain assault. Also it needs to be a VC2-S-AP3 typ…

I demand an example of friendly fire incidents where attacker closely observes (they were able to aim at antennas for example) the friendly target for hours yet keeps attacking. All friendly fire incidents are opposite of this - people shooting at something they don't see or see for a brief time before the attack, there are no known cases of such an attack declared "friendly fire" other than the USS Liberty, so this is why I was very skeptical of your claim this happens all the time.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by stale2002 »

za3faran wrote: post #573
stale2002 wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is yet another reason why they must be quickly stopped. Nuclear weapons are meant to stop countries from being destroyed, for every country that has thems. Thats why countries get those nuclear weapons in the first place. To use in a last resort in case they are destroyed. They even have fancy words for it, like "mutually assured destruction". I doubt you have invented a nuke shield. Meaning that, for all coun…

Politics shift extremely quickly, and it's very well known that only a handful of people in power support the zionist entity. There are no real alliances with israel from Muslim nations if that's what you are alluding to. Maybe one or two rulers are attempting to form some sort of deal, but this does not sit well with the population at all. Remember that you have ~2 billion Muslims, and the Palestinian issue is one o…

> The western nations that enabled this genocide and colonialist project can take in those who leave.

The much much more likely situation is that a third of gazans leave based on plans that western governments have made for gaza that are already public.

Thats the outcome that those groups are currently on a clear trajectory towards, that might not even be stoppable at this point, TBH.

Then what? More yelling online about "zionists" doesn't rebuild the mass rubble that gaza has already been turned into.

But hey, feel free to check up on gaza in a year and see if things have gotten any better, or if it has instead just been more people sacrificing their lives for nothing with no progress towards a better future.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by za3faran »

stale2002 wrote: post #575
za3faran wrote: post #573

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politics shift extremely quickly, and it's very well known that only a handful of people in power support the zionist entity. There are no real alliances with israel from Muslim nations if that's what you are alluding to. Maybe one or two rulers are attempting to form some sort of deal, but this does not sit well with the population at all. Remember that you have ~2 billion Muslims, and the Palestinian issue is one o…

> The western nations that enabled this genocide and colonialist project can take in those who leave. The much much more likely situation is that a third of gazans leave based on plans that western governments have made for gaza that are already public. Thats the outcome that those groups are currently on a clear trajectory towards, that might not even be stoppable at this point, TBH. Then what? More yelling online a…

The yelling is not only happening online, we're starting to see a shift in policy. As I mentioned, the sentiment for the zionist entity in the USA is in the dirt among the younger generation. This isn't just about Gaza, it's about the entire world now. The entity has no issues literally dragging the world in to WW3. People are waking up.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by bigyabai »

balex wrote: post #563
throwaway23984 wrote: post #558

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Posting from a throwaway account just because this is such a sensitive issue, but posting my genuine thoughts. I assume I am very out of touch with antisemitism since I have always lived in countries where I assume there aren't very many Jewish people, and I never hear much about them. I understand that there was a lot of really terrible antisemitism for a very long period of history, and I read and hear that there i…

I wasn't talking about Israel. I pointed out the antisemitic metaphor. Like it or not, that's the same language. I find the sarcasm of the parent taking sides and crossing into that territory telling. It's further strengthened by their response after being called out. There, now you know. Hope you feel safe behind the throwaway account. Karma's tough, right?

I don't think they used it in an antisemitic manner. Empire politics have been called parasitic even before WWII, and Israel's reliance on foreign aid does epitomize the cost of enabling this type of occupation. Americans are bled out of their wallets for this, and many no longer see the light at the end of the tunnel supporting Israel. To many Americans, it is a parasitic relationship with zero ostensible upsides to America.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by bigyabai »

stale2002 wrote: post #575
za3faran wrote: post #573

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politics shift extremely quickly, and it's very well known that only a handful of people in power support the zionist entity. There are no real alliances with israel from Muslim nations if that's what you are alluding to. Maybe one or two rulers are attempting to form some sort of deal, but this does not sit well with the population at all. Remember that you have ~2 billion Muslims, and the Palestinian issue is one o…

> The western nations that enabled this genocide and colonialist project can take in those who leave. The much much more likely situation is that a third of gazans leave based on plans that western governments have made for gaza that are already public. Thats the outcome that those groups are currently on a clear trajectory towards, that might not even be stoppable at this point, TBH. Then what? More yelling online a…

> Then what?

Decades of unjustifiable regional conflict used to manufacture consent for Israel to invade and indefinitely occupy portions of Syria, Jordan and Egypt?

Because that's the precedent that Israel has set for themselves. It's not a very popular plan outside of the Knesset, as this war has proven.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by bigyabai »

FunnyUsername wrote: post #328
basilgohar wrote: post #60

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This is well known and documented. It should not be downvoted. Zionism in Big Tech is a huge issue. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese documented this extensively in her report that got her sanctioned by the US. [0] TurboTax had IDF soldiers in uniform in their offices. [1] [0] https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ah…

Presumably he's a reservist who was drafted after his country was invaded, and tried to attend a few work calls (although he should have been on paid leave) while drafted. What's the issue? Also one reservist is not "soldiers", and a video call is not "in their offices".

> What's the issue?

You are literally commenting under an article titled "Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying" - it should be easy to determine the conflict of interest here.

The Inslaw affair still gets discussed pretty often in security circles, as does Pegasus and FORCEDENTRY. Israel's spyware poses a threat only eclipsed by China, to most Americans.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by stale2002 »

bigyabai wrote: post #578
stale2002 wrote: post #575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The western nations that enabled this genocide and colonialist project can take in those who leave. The much much more likely situation is that a third of gazans leave based on plans that western governments have made for gaza that are already public. Thats the outcome that those groups are currently on a clear trajectory towards, that might not even be stoppable at this point, TBH. Then what? More yelling online a…

> Then what? Decades of unjustifiable regional conflict used to manufacture consent for Israel to invade and indefinitely occupy portions of Syria, Jordan and Egypt? Because that's the precedent that Israel has set for themselves. It's not a very popular plan outside of the Knesset, as this war has proven.

There are not large 40 thousand plus armed terrorists groups that have been being armed for decades and have been shooting rockets at Israel for years in either Jordan or Egypt. And Syria has significantly improved their relations with Israel recently.

Nobody in those countries are seriously suggesting that there is going to be some war with Israel anytime soon, and relations are as good as they have ever been.

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