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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by lesuorac » Tue, May 19, 2026, 4:33 PM UTC

unholiness wrote: post #554

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #428

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Also, it's worth pointing out that the jury was obviously correct. Musk was lying his ass off. There is no possible way to imagine that Elon Musk, the hyper-online dude obsessed with news, AI, and AI news, would not be aware of the well-publicized events of a company he was personally massively invested in.

I'm having a hard time squaring this view with the prediction markets. 500k+ of volume on Polymarket[0] had Elon losing at only even odds until March, 2:1 until May 15th, and 3:1 before the verdict dropped. It seems to have been widely reported from the start[1] and throughout[2] that the statute of limitations was a key thing Musk's team had to prove. If it was so clear, why did people think this case had legs? [0]…

A lot of people on polymarket thinking something is the case is probably evidence that it's not.

https://www.google.com/search?q=percentage+of+people+who+los...

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by aeternum » Tue, May 19, 2026, 5:17 PM UTC

bruce511 wrote: post #516

somenameforme wrote: post #496

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I think many may not understand your quote, especially given the nature of the language and the apparent non sequitur: https://archive.is/F3nnP That's an archive of the article it's originally from, from the NYTimes - "Flying Machines Which Do Not Fly", October 1903. The Wright Bros first successful flight would come in December 1903. The NYTimes also similarly published about the impossibility of spaceflight relativ…

The value of flight is incalculable. Especially if we see it as a precursor to satellites. A lot of people invested a lot in getting g it to work. Many people died making it better and better. The cost in treasure and lives was substantial, but the return is worth it. Contrast to the moon. The prestige was great, the investment enormous. The return was more-or-less zero. There was a reason Apollo 18 was canceled, and…

The value of the first Mars colony may be zero depending on how you value it just as the value of the first Wright flier was 'precisely zero' or even negative. It didn't carry cargo and it killed or injured many of those that dared to fly on it.

Assigning zero long term value however to another entire planet worth of resources just seems like a failure of imagination.

You can't get to the 777 without the Wright Flyer.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by the_gastropod » Tue, May 19, 2026, 5:21 PM UTC

threethirtytwo wrote: post #557

Angostura wrote: post #493

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You’re right. Sociopath is probably a better fit.

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... Did you just suggest gp is "worse than Hitler" for suggesting Elon Musk, a man who's very publicly called empathy a "fundamental weakness" and "threat to Western Civilization", a sociopath? And you went on to compare the powerless women tried for witchcraft to the richest man in the history of the planet? Please go touch grass, my dude.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by IAmBroom » Tue, May 19, 2026, 5:23 PM UTC

j16sdiz wrote: post #528

granzymes wrote: post #98

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My own thoughts: If I had been on the jury, I would have found against Musk on every point. His lawyers created a “3 phases of doubt” to try and sidestep the statute of limitations, but it was clearly bogus and he was on notice of OpenAI creating a for-profit in 2019. Musk was perfectly happy to have OpenAI be a for-profit, a non-profit with an attached for-profit (the current structure), or even just absorbed into T…

> If I had been on the jury, I would have found ... No, you wouldn't. The case was thrown out of court before you have any chance to comment or decide on that. Jury don't randomly "found" something. The court ask questions, the Jury answers those.

It's even more preposterous that you can predetermine what a stranger would have done on that jury.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by IAmBroom » Tue, May 19, 2026, 5:26 PM UTC

unholiness wrote: post #554

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, it's worth pointing out that the jury was obviously correct. Musk was lying his ass off. There is no possible way to imagine that Elon Musk, the hyper-online dude obsessed with news, AI, and AI news, would not be aware of the well-publicized events of a company he was personally massively invested in.

I'm having a hard time squaring this view with the prediction markets. 500k+ of volume on Polymarket[0] had Elon losing at only even odds until March, 2:1 until May 15th, and 3:1 before the verdict dropped. It seems to have been widely reported from the start[1] and throughout[2] that the statute of limitations was a key thing Musk's team had to prove. If it was so clear, why did people think this case had legs? [0]…

Postulate: Prediction markets are not exceptionally good at predicting everything.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by fastball » Tue, May 19, 2026, 5:29 PM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #537

fastball wrote: post #469

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Tesla is one of 3 companies currently operating a driverless taxi service.

Ah yes. The driverless cars with a safety driver at the wheel. So.... driverless. You know that it's a public service and we literally can see the drivers, right?

They are operating without drivers in Austin.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by IAmBroom » Tue, May 19, 2026, 5:33 PM UTC

colechristensen wrote: post #48

2b3a51 wrote: post #9

Reached for comment by TechCrunch, Musk’s lead counsel Marc Toberoff said, “One word: Appeal.” One wonders on what grounds? In the UK, in a civil case like this, the judge I think comments on the likelihood of an appeal avenue once the verdict has been reached.

He lost on the grounds of a statue of limitations defense which is exactly the kind of thing which is easily appealable.

Based on the "My Calendar Has 13 Months" defense?

Or the "I Forgot It Was Tuesday" argument?

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by threethirtytwo » Tue, May 19, 2026, 5:59 PM UTC

the_gastropod wrote: post #573

threethirtytwo wrote: post #557

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... Did you just suggest gp is "worse than Hitler" for suggesting Elon Musk, a man who's very publicly called empathy a "fundamental weakness" and "threat to Western Civilization", a sociopath? And you went on to compare the powerless women tried for witchcraft to the richest man in the history of the planet? Please go touch grass, my dude.

I suggested he's not in touch with reality when he accuses someone of being a sociopath who is clearly not.

I compared him to the MOB that burned those women. That's the main comparison. You're the same because you and him would put elon to the slaughter because you're mob mentality is as violent as hitler.

You need to get in touch with reality.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by somenameforme » Tue, May 19, 2026, 5:59 PM UTC

Veserv wrote: post #564

somenameforme wrote: post #499

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SpaceX also dropped the cost of kg to space by multiple orders of magnitude, which is a part of the reason they essentially are the space industry now a days. And should Starship deliver we are likely going to be seeing even more orders of magnitude drop in price there. Elon made some political positions (which he has always hinted at in any case) publicly clear, and the divisive nature of politics in the US which ha…

A order of magnitude is a factor of 10x. Multiple orders of magnitude is at least 100x. SpaceX Falcon 9 has a launch cost of 74 M$ with a payload to LEO of 22,800 kg for a launch cost of ~3,200 $/kg to LEO. So you are incorrectly claiming that space launch costs were 320,000 $/kg. Elon Musk is a habitual liar, but you should try not to be one as well as it demonstrates your argument to be based in ignorance and decep…

Falcon Heavy reusable is the most $ efficient system at around $1500 $/kg. The Space Shuttle costs were $54,000 $/kg. If you want to nitpick that that's "only" a 97% cost reduction instead of a 99%... well that's the sort of good faith debate I've come to expect from the aforementioned vocal minority in any topic related to Elon, and with all the class you've already demonstrated in your post.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by j16sdiz » Tue, May 19, 2026, 5:59 PM UTC

IAmBroom wrote: post #574

j16sdiz wrote: post #528

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> If I had been on the jury, I would have found ... No, you wouldn't. The case was thrown out of court before you have any chance to comment or decide on that. Jury don't randomly "found" something. The court ask questions, the Jury answers those.

It's even more preposterous that you can predetermine what a stranger would have done on that jury.

I am saying the rule in court won't allow that.

The problem is: As a jury, you can't answer the question you ain't asked.

In this case, they jury was instructed to answer a YES/NO question. They can say YES/NO or (sometimes, can't decide). They just can't answer something else. If they do, that is either disregarded, or consider the jury misunderstood the instruction.

You just don't understand how the jury system works.