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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by noir_lord »

mring33621 wrote: post #544
noir_lord wrote: post #489

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Worked in enterprise for most of my career, uniformly the business side asks for every single piece of data possible to be collected and kept in case they need it. They basically never need 95% of it and most of it is never looked at again. That 5% that does gets used ends up been collapsed to a single 100,000ft view somewhere that the decision makers in the company can see it and immediately treat as gospel . Which…

But they get mad when you tell them that their processes are Kafkaesque! Ask me how I know.

Learnt that one early, I optimise my own processes and my teams but the rest of the business that is on them.

Half surviving in big companies is knowing which battles are worth fighting and which aren’t.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by nicce »

ruszki wrote: post #422
phire wrote: post #409

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Yeah, I'm a little suspicious about that claim. Bluetooth tethering is a thing, actually predates wifi tethering. Though it's not enabled unless you enable Personal Hotspot in your phone settings (and Android requires it to be enabled separately). CarPlay complicates things, as it only uses bluetooth to pair, then it switches to using a wifi network (as bluetooth doesn't have anywhere near enough bandwidth). Maybe Ap…

My iPhone automatically shares the internet without enabling hotspot with my Toyota via Bluetooth. It happens automatically. I just start the car, and it happens. And CarPlay is not involved, since there is no such thing in my car.

Seems very worrysome and worth investigation. Basically, buttons in your phone are just an illusion.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by u8080 »

UltraSane wrote: post #545
u8080 wrote: post #505

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Idk, both of my grandfathers turned into ashes in cars developed by VW, seems pretty bold and rude comparasion to supposedly "racist" tweets.

Plenty of people have been turned into ashes by not being able to escape burning Tesla's due to Elon's moronic hidden physical handle design.

I mean, there were gasenwagens and VW literally used slave labour of certain camps.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by nicce »

xattt wrote: post #44
everdrive wrote: post #30

The 2024 Ford Maverick has a single fuse for the telematics unit that you can remove without throwing a code or an error. No idea if this remained true after the 2025-2026 refresh, but worth knowing. https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/telematics-f...

Kias have a “Massachusetts mode” flag hidden behind a service menu (that needs a dealer code) that disables telematics at the owner’s request. However, the service menu pin also has timeout protection that will inject a waiting period between retries so there is no guessing. I don’t think there’s convincing my dealer to get into the service menu and disabling it. I would presume that other manufacturers might have th…

> I don’t think there’s convincing my dealer to get into the service menu and disabling it.

I am just going to say in the future that I am not buying car from you or recommend to anyone if you don’t disable it. Let’s see if I can get a new car some day.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by Brian_K_White »

bdamm wrote: post #370
Brian_K_White wrote: post #146

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Tesla takes software very seriously, but for their goals not yours.

This is just fearmongering trope. You can imagine whatever you like, but there's no evidence that they're anything other than a car and technology company that wants to sell lots of its product.

hoo doggies...

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by nicce »

benob wrote: post #464
PinguTS wrote: post #460

Be careful messing with your (modern) car like this. It may work at first glance. In some time in the future you may not be able to unlock your car. As mentioned in the article as part of the introduction, there were problems with those car regarding security. Especially with the Rav4 where a colleague, Ken Tindell, showed a very serious flaw: https://kentindell.github.io/2023/04/03/can-injection/ Because of this OEM…

Does changing the date fix it?

No. There are standards in EU and US that enforce these things. Changing time would be too trivial bypass and manufactures would have coensequences.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by ssl-3 »

stackghost wrote: post #67
Animats wrote: post #62

How good a position can you get from GPS today in receive only mode? You can download and store Open Street Map for individual states. Map data doesn't have to come in over the air. That's not the problem. It's enhancing GPS with cell phone tower data that's the problem. That requires a cell connection.

>That requires a cell connection. Technically it only requires an antenna that can listen on the LTE band (or even GSM). Trilaterating based on cell towers with a hackRF or other SDR is a fun exercise.

Do you happen to live in an area where cell towers broadcast their location?

(Here in the States, they don't do that.

The best we get to have are crowd-sourced maps that are generally held behind someone else's lock and key.)

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by jrnichols »

It's been disappointing to see that Toyota, a brand I once trusted, has slipped into spyware/nagware like this. All for the purpose of later selling advertisements. Do we get a discount at the dealer for this "feature?" Of course not. In fact, we get a dealer markup that's often difficult to get rid of.

No wonder car companies are starting to dislike CarPlay. It's less data they can collect from their own customers.

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Post by dghlsakjg »

astura wrote: post #506
mixdup wrote: post #500

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>Surely collecting telemetry on nearly every mile you drive could never be a sensible use of time or money, right? What kind of insanity is that? They're not collecting in depth telemetry on every mile you drive, as you drive it. They're literally just every couple of days sending the number on the odometer up to their server. Most carmakers do it simply so they can sell you oil changes

This information is much more valuable to insurance companies than selling you some oil change (which hardly anyone gets from the manufacturer anyways).

You would be shocked the number of people who are utterly convinced that all servicing needs to be done at the dealership to maintain warranties, and how many dealerships will encourage this thinking, or outright try to deny warranty claims when a vehicle was not serviced by them.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by advisedwang »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #514
advisedwang wrote: post #266

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Why? You presumably don't enjoy get into frontal crashes, are you worried about it doing false positives? Is that a significant issue?

Because I don't want anything in the vehicle apart from me deciding when I should brake.

So if you get into a crash, you would rather not have an extra few hundred milliseconds of deceleration? You would rather have more costly repairs, more injuries, maybe even more liability? I just don't see what you get in exchange for that by avoiding these features, or what principal is at stake
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