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GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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8 layers of management??? At gitlabs team size, that means every manager has 2-3 reports? Yeah, I'd be cutting layers too.

https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/company/structure/ > GitLab has at most eight layers in the company structure (Associate/Intermediate/Senior, Manager/Staff, Senior Manager/Principal, Director/Distinguished, Senior Director, VP/Fellow, Executives, Board). > [...] You can skip layers but you generally never have someone reporting to the same layer (Example of a VP reporting to a VP). So they're counting the board…

That’s not what layers refers to. What they mean is how many managers between the CEO and an employee. Made up Example: CEO->CTO->VP of Infrastructure—> Director of Platform-> Sr Manager of AWS platform —> infra engineer would be 6 layers

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Mathematically that would work out to a lot less than 8 layers of management. I wonder if they have 5-10 employees per manager at the bottom of the org chart, but a lot of middle managers and manager-like titles mixed through the middle.

If its anything like the other tech companies, you'll have a bunch of overworked low-level managers with 20+ reports each, and then somewhere up the chain you'll find directors and VPs chilling with 1-2 reports

Solution: fire half the line managers, and make the rest also do IC work.

If anyone has a VP-level position open, I'm willing to send you my resume. There is a salary level at which I am willing to do work entirely without shame.

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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This is quite an aggressively optimistic vision for the future of the software industry to tuck into a "workforce reduction" announcement: > The agentic era multiplies demand for software. Software has been the force multiplier behind nearly every business transformation of the last two decades. The constraint was the cost and time of producing and managing it. That constraint is collapsing. As the cost of producing…

> hundreds/user/month What is this based on? The only thing I can think of is AI coding tools but only a few companies do it properly. I don't see gitlab capturing any of that spending Also the whole "removing layers". Today's prof g market video was about the topic. Afaik it was the Coinbase CEO telling the same. Do these people get together to discuss their talking points? Or are they signalling to investors?

> Do these people get together to discuss their talking points?

None of these visionaries and thought leaders have ever had an original idea in their lives, they just ape eachother.

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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>> "We've been working through some significant changes inside GitLab over the past few days"

I can't seem to get past this - all these decisions (and a work-force reduction :() are the result of a few days of pondering? I've had stomach aches that have lasted longer ..

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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> planning to reduce the number of countries by up to 30% where we have small teams One of the really interesting things about GitLab was that not only did they have employees in a large number of countries but they also published their employee handbook which helped show quite how much work it was to support that: https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/people-group/employment... lists 18 countries right now. I guess t…

> We’re reducing our country footprint because operating in nearly 60 countries does not allow us to give every team member a great experience

Are they going to rectify this by laying these people off?

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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post #553

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Gitlab used to be about as reliable as github. (ignoring the security oopses they used to have) They simply don't have (or didnt) the skills to scale. THey were talking about using ceph to run things (which gives you an idea about how green their infra team was)

What's wrong with Ceph?

Whats right with it?

Its slow, large, excessively complex and not that resilient to failure.

You either want a bunch of NFS machines backed on to ZFS on nvme, with a central jumping off point that allows sharding (this is critical to allow one or more NFS server to fuck up and not kill access to everything else.)

Or, pay the money and use GPFS

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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Even slop-maker-makers themselves struggle: https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues What hope slop-maker-users have then?

To be fair, any LLM project gets a lot of stupid tickets, by virtue of a) marketing to users who aren't really developers and b) bad developers being more likely to use LLMs. Both of these groups are more likely to write bogus or non-reproducible bug tickets, as well as feature requests that don't make any sense. My guess is 10% of those 10,000 open issues are actual bugs or sensible requests. On the other hand, LLMs…

The number is much higher than 10%. They already have a quite aggressive system of closing/duplicating issues, automatically or manually.

(Source: I build tooling around Claude Code and have spent hours swimming in the GitHub issues based on downstream user feedback)

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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GitLab could be the perfect case study on AI-powered efficiency improvements. I have never interacted with a piece of software that, for every single problem I found, there was an open issue always at least 4-7 years old that was just being shuffled around by managers adding and removing random labels. Surely with all of these ridiculous developer productivity gains enabled by AI, they should finally be able to fix a…

The reason for this is: the only way to show productivity gains enabled by AI is to lay off people and pretend you are doing the same amount of work (while in reality you are severely dropping quality and accumulating technical debt).

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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your post is an ad hominem without substance to back the personal accusations within. i said there were arguments both in favor of and against diversity. the article i posted showed arguments both in favor of and against diversity. obviously some contradictions will present when looking at both sides. diverse, millenia old, genetically encoded behavioural structures exist in our shared reality. id love to discuss thi…

Human populations dont share enough genes when they do share culture for this argument to make sense, people identifying as X culture but with Y genetics don't magically act like Y - saying "genetically encoded behavioral structures" is usually just code for "black people are dumber than white people" so you should understand why people are assuming bad faith.

thank you for clarifying why bad faith was assumed, that makes sense ... im pretty sure different levels of intelligence do present across racial/cultural borders, but assigning that to any one factor (ie. black=dumb) is unscientific

Re: GitLab announces workforce reduction and end of their CREDIT values

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As someone that is raising money from VCs, I feel really sorry for large VC backed companies right now. What you see here is the Product-VC tension of the AI era, and in a large company its devastating. Users want a product that delivers the value they are looking for, VCs are looking for infinite AI scale, these do not meet. So founders need to present two different values and visions, one for customers and one for…

Never really got how gitlab got so big, what's their USP? To my knowledge they don't really have anything that is not reproducible rather easily.

The selling point would be vertical integration and that you don't need to stitch together 12 different SaaS CI products all attached to your source code, but just deal with one vendor (GitLab).
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