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Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by iNerdier »

protocolture wrote: post #557
crote wrote: post #533

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Have you considered the possibility that most non-programmer people mostly experienced the negative effects? Blockchain turned out to be an absolutely awful payment method, so most people only know it as 1) a way to do crimes like ransomware, 2) a get-rich-quick scam, 3) some buzzword companies threw in everything , 4) the thing that made GPUs unaffordable. AI is now the thing that 1) is drowning the internet in slop…

>Their opinion about AI or blockchain most likely has absolutely nothing to do with you. Which is why I left before I was banned. I no longer felt comfortable and they probably likewise. They wanted a safe space to hate on people involved in AI art and my leaving contributed to that. That said, I doubt I could have posted content calling for the death of authors or honestly any other group in that space without being…

You didn’t like the broader consensus views towards llm usage but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t ultimately a positive to their community that you left. It sounds as though there was a mismatch in what you and the broader group wanted so perhaps a non-confrontational split is the best that could be hoped for in this situation?

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by AdminAccount »

I think the only reason stackoverflow still has any activity is because the community choose to ban AI content [1] and so did most of its other networks [2].

Perhaps it will even see a (small) resurgence when AI providers start charging for the actual costs.

[1] https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/421831

[2] https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/384922

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by coldtea »

nicbou wrote: post #556
coldtea wrote: post #358

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> Then how can you have a community that is welcoming to people who are not part of the ingroup? Being welcoming to every random person is by definition not a community, it's a free-for-all mess. A community means communal interests and values, it's in the name. And to guard those you can't just be accepting everyone without vetoing them. That's how it turns to a shit of spammers and trolls and people who want to hij…

We are trying to make new immigrants feel at home. This is the purpose we gather around.

We were talking about online communities, but still, the same principle applies. If you just let anyone in, there eventually would be less there to feel "at home" about, and more of a disjointed and low trust number of individuals loosely held together by virtue of just being in the same place.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by grey-area »

raincole wrote: post #149
grey-area wrote: post #78

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Did you ever introspect about who ruined Reddit?

Yeah, if carlgreene specifically stopped doing that Reddit would be saved. They are the one savior.

They directly contributed to the problem that they say forced them to leave Reddit.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by tomhow »

phoronixrly wrote: post #3

> AI slop is driving up the noise, and making the signal more and more difficult to discern in communities. Thank you OP, this puts into words why I no longer look at Show HNs.

We filter out most Show HNs now (i.e., most of the ones that are submitted or attempted to be submitted by fresh accounts), and we look out for ones that have substance and authentic writing. Others have commented that the standard has been better in recent weeks. We'll keep working at it.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by armchairhacker »

nicbou wrote: post #327
tardedmeme wrote: post #161

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Note that "attestation through a web of trust" means something like needing an invite from an existing user. It doesn't have to mean mass surveillance.

Then how can you have a community that is welcoming to people who are not part of the ingroup? I want to create a community for immigrants. How would I make it welcoming to recent immigrants for whom no one can vouch? A web of trust is a wonderful tool, but it's exclusive by design. This is a problem for some communities, even though it makes others much better.

Some will be fine providing their ID, others can be vouched by members who are fine providing their ID.

This preserves anonymity because for the latter because they’re only known to be “related” to the former, which is a vague hint at their real identity (e.g. they could’ve met in another online community). And the former don’t care, if they want they can vouch an anonymous alt.

Re: AI slop is killing online communities

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Post by nicbou »

coldtea wrote: post #575
nicbou wrote: post #556

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are trying to make new immigrants feel at home. This is the purpose we gather around.

We were talking about online communities, but still, the same principle applies. If you just let anyone in, there eventually would be less there to feel "at home" about, and more of a disjointed and low trust number of individuals loosely held together by virtue of just being in the same place.

I agree with you. It’s the problem I can’t crack and it’s why I am letting the idea simmer for so long.

In the end, you need to filter people at the door. You need to keep unpleasant people out and shut down bad behaviour.

I figured that a paid, motivated moderator could be better than a web of trust for this demographic. Maybe enforce a stricter moderation standard on unvetted members. At my scale it might work.

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