I knew they were burning money with those earlier limits. But thanks we had them a good price until we needed them. Now that GLM, Opencode Go, Crof AI, Synthetic.new, and many many more. They give these opensource source models. I have switched from all big subscriptions and now have moved to many small subscriptions and I am now trying see who gives best accuracy(quants), Speed (tokens/second) and Usage Limits at low price.
GitHub Copilot is moving to usage-based billing
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The point is - if its the same or more expensive per month than a real human employee - why pay for AI ? Human retain knowledge, product knowledge, can pick up more work often for the same money. And having many of them means your business wont go down if provider suddenly bumps API pricing.
How much is the average pay for a junior developer in US? Its definitely much costlier considering PF and other benefits. Just the math. if you use it efficiently it's much cheaper than hiring a permanent staff. You can maintain a lean team and do all the mundane boilerplate coding with AI.
Why keep stuff in US when offshore costs so much less?
Talent and skill is for sure not the reason, coz biggest names now seem to all be immigrants.
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The point of this loss leading is to properly hoover up the money in the pockets of enterprise customers, get them locked into the idea that they need the latest and greatest cloud-based model, while simultaneously starving everyone of the memory they'd need in order to run competent models locally. In not-too-distant future we're going to be running better models on our phones than we can buy access to today in the…
I think your first paragraph is spot on, while the second is fairly incorrect. Hardware isn’t getting cheaper at a reasonable pace, and datacenters will keep depleting the market. State-of-the-art models are very, very far from being run on your own hardware.
> State-of-the-art models are very, very far from being run on your own hardware.
Still, the models will only get smarter and more efficient as the hardware gets cheaper. The timeframe may be debatable but the outcome really isn't.
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Enterprise gets pooled credits and will like having everything go through one place so I think it still works.
You can pool credits through open router (afaik, I'm only using a single user account), but if you top-up $10 per user, per month, any unused credits will rollover. Tbh I think it still works, but only because the new allowance will likely get used very quickly within a billing cycle - I'm expecting this change to increase our orgs bill significantly based on how many API credits with open router I consume in a weeke…
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Yeah, totally. The recent pricing changes have just made my Copilot subscription go from great deal to awful value over night. I've been wanting to get off MS more generally and this is good motivation. Will be playing round with OR this week.
I will not be renewing/switching over, either. I had copilot mainly so I could write issues and throw agents at it, while I went off and did other things. Has been great for contained spot work. At this point, I'll go ahead and leave it expire, and then consolidate between Codex and JetBrains AI. Especially since Xcode supports Codex with a first-party integration.
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#576"Your plan pricing is unchanged: Copilot Pro remains $10/month and Pro+ remains $39/month, and each includes $10 and $39 in monthly AI Credits, respectively." If there's no discount on credits (in terms of tokens per dollar) over other providers, I'm going to switch to a PAYG provider. If there's a month where there's little to no coding I can pocket the 10$. What incentive do they give to stay with this plan?
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27x for Opus is genuinely shocking. at that point you're not paying for convenience anymore, you're just paying a GitHub tax. OpenRouter or direct API makes way more sense unless you're really glued to the IDE integration.
I keep seeing people mention OpenRouter. Does it effectively bypass regional restrictions for you, so you can use something like the Claude API from unsupported regions such as Hong Kong, or does it still enforce the official providers' geo-restrictions?
Even when using OpenRouter in Hong Kong, it is still not possible to connect to region-restricted models like Gemini
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> then you're a part of the problem. Sure, enshitification is my fault because I do not read the fine print, or research business models before I buy stuff. I am not saying that the consumer has no ethical responsibilities, I am saying that is infeasible for the average consumer to do so. > If you're a baker then you need to figure out how LLMs work I completely disagree. I should not have to research about which typ…
> Sure, enshitification is my fault because I do not read the fine print, or research business models before I buy stuff. Kind of yes. You use it, you buy it. You create demand. And if there's demand, there's supply, economics 1-2-3. You vote "YES" with your wallet. I read the fine print, and this allows me to NOT use Opus x30 only because it's available . I choose to not use AirBnb. I send a signal that this supply…
It sounds like you think you are saving the world one purchase at a time. Sure thing haha. And with the 5 people that read your rants, it is enough for a megacorp with millions of users to go bankrupt. Sure. Keep saving the world for us, thank you
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Near zero probability of that. The model is more efficient and the company who trained it did not blunder trillions of dollars to do so. China has better electricity infrastructure than the US too, so the likelihood they can scale out before the US ever could is high. Long term deepseek, Alibaba, etc hold the most cards for sustainable AI even despite the attempted Nvidia embargo I am not shilling China, this is just…
Lol what? You seriously think that the #1 Chinese AI company is not being subsidized by the Chinese government?
> Lol what? You seriously think that the #1 Chinese AI company is not being subsidized by the Chinese government?
There are providers in the US who are offering Deepseek API for the same price. Is the Chinese govt. subsidizing those people too?
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I expect in the future we'll find out that someone in the industry was juicing the numbers with fake thinking tokens or something. The whole pricing model of charging you for the tokens it generates while not knowing how much it is going to generate going in has always been pretty crazy.
It reminds of early smart phones when the cell providers pulled away from unlimited data...and then they brought it back in s few years. I think competition will get fierce. We see many people are attracted to the price stability of GHCP - it became clear what a request could do - the problem is that they didn't match results with cost. It's not clear what a 5 hour usage window in Claude Code can do. There's no reaso…
> It reminds of early smart phones when the cell providers pulled away from unlimited data...and then they brought it back in s few years.
*cries in Australian that has never had unlimited mobile data ever