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Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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Re: Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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aren't plants also sentient? Isn't all life sentient? If not, where do you draw the line? "It has eyes and bilateral symmetry and an endoskeleton looks vaguely human-like so I can anthropomorphize it"? "Only members of the animal kingdom are conscious"?

Do you think plants achieve the same degree of sentience as say, a pig? Or would drawing even that line be too arbitrary for you?

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Re: Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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Yeah, we didn't want Iran to have nukes, so we rugpulled the JCPOA and murdered the guy who declared a fatwa against nukes. We wanted to save the Iranian people from the regime that murdered 100,000 peaceful protestors (don't ask for evidence) so we butchered 170 school girls and didn't apologize. We wanted to stabilize the region, so we greenlit Israel's rampage in Lebanon and directly induced Iran to close the Stra…

> We wanted to save the Iranian people from the regime that murdered 100,000 peaceful protestors (don't ask for evidence) At least 20,000 according to Amnesty International, other independent sources claim 40,000. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2026/01/what-hap...

That says Iran clams 3,000, UN claim 5,000 and other sources claim higher.

I don't Amnesty putting their name behind any of those numbers but even the 20,000 is very hand wavey.

I don't see 40,000 claimed anywhere.

Re: Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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I’m not being facetious when I say: are they that slow or really suffering from Messiah Complex?

I have no problem that they are doing what they’re doing. Someone was going to do it. But to be so oblivious to it is a problem. One would argue that it’s a national security problem.

Re: Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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Not wanting to work with people who are ok with the MIC is not a sign of immaturity.

Thank you for demonstrating my first point while trying to contest my second.

Whatever helps you sleep at night...

Re: Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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Yeah, we didn't want Iran to have nukes, so we rugpulled the JCPOA and murdered the guy who declared a fatwa against nukes. We wanted to save the Iranian people from the regime that murdered 100,000 peaceful protestors (don't ask for evidence) so we butchered 170 school girls and didn't apologize. We wanted to stabilize the region, so we greenlit Israel's rampage in Lebanon and directly induced Iran to close the Stra…

> We wanted to stabilize the region, so we greenlit Israel's rampage in Lebanon Consider this hypothetical situation. Iran funds a terrorist group operating in Tijuana to fire rockets across the border into San Diego. Assume the Mexican government is not organized enough to stop the terrorists from firing rockets. What do you think the response of the US Government would be? Please recall what we did after 9/11 befor…

> Israel definitely has blood on their hands, but how do you suggest they deal with terrorist groups funded by Iran operating in lawless areas of neighboring countries that are firing rockets at civilians in Israel?

What they do is stop raping and murdering people, settling on their land and then acting shocked that the country they are taking over is reacting in a violent way in response.

Re: Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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Everyone in this industry should be required to read Careless People by Sara Wynn-Williams about her tenure at Facebook. Not because the book is about how evil Meta/Facebook is as a company but because you get to see the lengths people go to mentally convince themselves they are the good guy. Repeatedly in the book she tries to assure herself she's making the world better and that there's actually an ethical, positiv…

My experience is that people will be able to justify anything that is "normal". I went vegan after learning too much of how the literal sausage is made and the amount of people who have unprompted (people are weird about it so I try to avoid talking about being vegan except for mentioning it quickly while declining food) said something along the lines of "factory farming is awful but I just love bacon" and laugh is l…

I agree. It's easier to change your morals than your behavior, or contort your thinking around your own behavior until you can imagine it fits into the shape that you've decided your morals are, reality notwithstanding. I think that explains a lot of it, for unabashed meat-eaters. The other thing I see is casting every human as sacred and every non-human living thing as without value, or, at least less value than a single meal. Most acknowledge that animals lead internal lives while a small minority don't, but in both cases humans are the center of the universe around which the earth and the sun orbits, and we and our convenience and comfort is all that really matters.

I have no doubt whatsoever that half the people I know and love would have owned slaves or at least defended slavery if they were born into a time where it was commonplace. They easily would have bought into nonsense science or religious arguments about the intelligence or moral value of this race over that, like they do for animals.

Re: Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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The very first chapter was actually excellent in setting my relationship to the book going forward, because stuff like this twanged against my brain and made me think, "Oh, she just really wanted to be powerful and influential and chased whatever she thought would give her that" > [after surviving a shark attack] why did this happen to me? If I survived against the odds, surely there had to be a reason? [...] After b…

She sounds horrifying.

Consider that she's one of 'the good guys'-- someone who self-reflected on her ambition, saw the 'evil' in hers and other's, called it out publicly, and assumedly regrets hers, and is trying to do better.

Sadly, terrifyingly, for every one of her, there are hundreds who might also self-reflect - but >choose< to be comix-book villains.

Re: Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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>Obviously there's the cognitive dissonance aspect to point out, but we are all doing that to some extent. Not necessarily. I mean, the people who give out an uncomfortable laugh do exhibit signs of cognitive dissonance. I don't have an issue with accepting both statements: factory farming is awful, and I still eat meat. There is no cognitive dissonance. The logic is straightforward: I do not believe that me, an indi…

Basically this boils down to "I don't feel responsible for the meat I eat being factory farmed." Not that I'm in any position to criticize; I'm in the cognitive dissonance camp. Have you considered consuming "ethical" animal products (e.g. free range eggs or whatever?) That doesn't seem like martyrdom; compared to what you want (government mandated livestock welfare) it only costs you marginally more (due to missing…

I’m in the same camp. On the other extreme, I find it darkly funny that eating plants is supposed to be okay…

Aren’t they alive too? What if they were conscious? If they aren’t but still a lifeform, that makes it perfectly okay?

No answers, just makes me wonder at times if common ethics is all it’s cracked up be.

Is eating plants not required for sustenance or nutrition really justifiable? (Chocolate, sugar, spices, …)

Re: Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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> nobody can quite articulate, but it certainly has nothing to do with "defending" the country. It's not hard: * They're trying to build nuclear weapons, and they're one of the worlds leading sponsor of terrorism (if not the sole leader). * The country ran out of water, people started to protest their government, and were killed by the thousands (some say tens of thousands potentially more). Water is one of the most…

* Their nuclear program was obliterated in June 2026, says even the White house (1) * The worlds leading sponsor of and spender on terrorism (including financial aid to Hamas) is Israel, by a wide margin (2) * Claims that “thousands” or “tens of thousands” were killed specifically over water protests are not supported by widely accepted evidence Now I'm wondering which country is a bigger threat to us and peace in ge…

Can both not be true?

Re: Palantir employees are starting to wonder if they're the bad guys

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Do you think plants achieve the same degree of sentience as say, a pig? Or would drawing even that line be too arbitrary for you?

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> And it tastes even better when it seems to cause distress to vegans.

Odd flex. Try not to worry so much about what other people think of you. It'll make you a better human.

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