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Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #554
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yes it is expensive, but companies are paying for that. It is far more expensive than the Max and it does go up to or more in some cases compared to the employee salary. Larger companies are using Claude through AWS Bedrock and are willing to easily pay $5k+ per engineer per month for it.

The thinking appears to be that a model that can do the work of a developer must be worth a significant share of a developer salary. I think this idea is flawed. Developer salaries are driven up by scarcity - scarcity of developer skills overall and scarcity of developer skills in specific places like California. If AI models destroy the scarcity then the price worth paying for a coding agent will drop dramatically.…

But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product?

So the % is debatable of course. There's cases where an AI agent can save weeks worth of investigation, there's cases where you are mainly blocked due to processes, and many different circumstances. It's up to every company on their own to decide it. But if they decide it's 50%, why shouldn't they spend 50% of salary on it?

Like imagine a large company with thousands of microservices. You need to build a feature, before you had to setup cross timezone team meetings to figure out who owns what, what is happening in each microservice, how it all connects together. But now you can essentially send an AI Agent to scour and prepare all this material for you, which theoretically in this planning could save hours of back and forth meetings.

If 1 hour / 1 eng costs $200, then a 10 people 1h meeting avoided would save $200 x 10 = $2000 alone.

I don't see it as a replacement for dev, it's more of a multiplier.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by cycomanic »

inetknght wrote: post #347
minimaxir wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A/B tests only work if the subjects don't realize they are in a A/B test.

Solution: don't A/B test your users. A/B testing people without their informed consent is immoral, unethical, and should be illegal.

So you're saying software should never change or you're happy with A testing, but not A/B testing

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by quietsegfault »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #438
trueno wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pretty much none of these big providers are offering the guarantees needed to be taken seriously in workplaces right now. the technology itself isn't offering the deterministic guarantees that should warrant it in the workplace right now. problem is everyone's foot is just on the gas. even if your workplace isnt paying for it, people are just straight up rolling their own personal claude accounts to do work at orgs.…

Anthropic is absolutely taken seriously in workplaces, what are you even talking about? No serious business uses Pro or Max, they are all on Anthropic API billing. In fact with this move it is plainly obvious that Anthropic is moving compute from prosumers towards enterprise.

I work for a "very serious" company with many billions of dollars of revenue. All our SWEs have max subscriptions.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by verdverm »

jryb wrote: post #23
verdverm wrote: post #9

I just cancelled my plan, but still have access to Pro and Code apparently until my cycle would have renewed. Hopefully they get a clear signal from this, especially if more of us cancel with the intention to sign back up should they reverse this decision.

I’d be surprised if they’re running at less than 100% capacity after this. It’s just too useful to too many people for whom an $80/month increase is immaterial (I speculate)

This is not so much about capacity, I pay $X and I get a certain amount.

This is much more about removing access to a feature I have access to. Having a chat with Claude Code (removed) seems to me to be likely less usage than Claude Cowork Tasks (more like open claw, cron triggers).

This seems much more like a SaaS Tax. I would not be as unhappy if they kept the Code feature and gated my access to Opus. I mostly use Sonnet anyway

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by sweezyjeezy »

meta_gunslinger wrote: post #557
stingraycharles wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, if you look at the Claude subreddits, the general consensus is that Anthropic and OpenAI are money hungry corporate devils that are here to enslave all of us, and everyone should get unlimited everything on Max x20. I think you may be overestimating the willingness of people to understand Anthropic’s concerns.

Reddit is a very small subsection of the Internet consisting mainly of basement-dweller radical leftist they/thems. We should not be taking them as a representative sample of the average Anthropic user.

Ironic that you are talking about unrepresentative samples while characterizing Reddit users that way. Reddit is a huge subsection of the internet, over a billion monthly active users. It covers basically all strata of western society you can think of.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by toasty228 »

muyuu wrote: post #361
operatingthetan wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we are inevitably heading to using the cheap Chinese models like Kimi, GLM, and Minimax for the bulk of engineering tasks. Within 3-6 months they will be at Opus 4.6 level.

Kimi 2.6 works roughly like Opus 4.6, when it used to work. Depending on the task, a bit better or a bit worse. And it's MUCH cheaper.

From this morning: I had a single go file with like 100 loc, I asked it to add debug prints, it thought for 5+ minutes, generating ~1m output token and did not actually update my file.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by verdverm »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #571
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thinking appears to be that a model that can do the work of a developer must be worth a significant share of a developer salary. I think this idea is flawed. Developer salaries are driven up by scarcity - scarcity of developer skills overall and scarcity of developer skills in specific places like California. If AI models destroy the scarcity then the price worth paying for a coding agent will drop dramatically.…

But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product? So the % is debatable of course. There's cases where an AI agent can save weeks worth of investigation, there's cases where you are mainly blocked due to processes, and many different circumstances. It's up to every company on their own to decide it. But if they decide it's 50%, why shouldn't they s…

I believe what GP is saying is that there is a price calculation today, but then if enough devs become unemployed, their salary will go down, making them more competitive by finops calculations, at which point the Ai prices will have to come down as well. Where equilibrium is, no one knows

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by verdverm »

sweezyjeezy wrote: post #575
meta_gunslinger wrote: post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is a very small subsection of the Internet consisting mainly of basement-dweller radical leftist they/thems. We should not be taking them as a representative sample of the average Anthropic user.

Ironic that you are talking about unrepresentative samples while characterizing Reddit users that way. Reddit is a huge subsection of the internet, over a billion monthly active users. It covers basically all strata of western society you can think of.

They seem to count unregistered users in the D/W/MAU, but even so the producer / consumer of content ratio across social media still stands. What you read is a subsection of all visitors to Reddit, which follows the power law.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by spiderfarmer »

adam_patarino wrote: post #568
trueno wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pretty much none of these big providers are offering the guarantees needed to be taken seriously in workplaces right now. the technology itself isn't offering the deterministic guarantees that should warrant it in the workplace right now. problem is everyone's foot is just on the gas. even if your workplace isnt paying for it, people are just straight up rolling their own personal claude accounts to do work at orgs.…

What are you guys subscribed to if not Claude? Copilot? Or is everyone legit bringing their own license?

I have the basic subscriptions for Copilot, Claude and Codex. About €50 per month.

I enjoy Codex the most

But like Claude I’m not loyal to any of them.

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