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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Unfortunately, we live in a world where most companies pay lip service to their stated value proposition, while racing to the bottom.

Remember "Microsoft loves linux" ?

As in sells a ton in azure. I am pretty sure they still love that.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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I would be really interested in a podcast with the CEO where he goes a bit into the trade-offs of backwards and forwards compatibility. I can not imagine that their planning was so immaculate that there aren't any regressions that a clean slate design could have cleaned up. Nevertheless, amazing job for putting this together it looks like a phenomenal product!

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Nice upgrades, but no mention of ECC RAM, the single thing that I wanted from an upgrade for a decade? Why do chip makers refuse to take our money? :-P A few years ago we were told only "Pro" parts have ECC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37828168

Do mobile CPU's and northbridges support ECC?

Handheld mobile no. Laptops could, but rarely/never do due to policy not technical requirements.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

#574
post #91

I’m happy to answer questions folks have around the product (later today).

Hi! Congratulation on the launch, I hope the users will like these!

Please, I do have a question about Desktop: there have been numerous reports of noisy PSU fan and little feedback from FW [1], could you shed some light on the situation? Are you seeing noisy PSU yourself, are there plans for a fix or another PSU? I understand you wanted a separate, and thus reparable Flex ATX PSU, but maybe just one larger fan for the whole case would have worked better (c.f. Steam Machine)?

[1] https://community.frame.work/t/noisy-psu-fan/74751

Thanks!

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

#575
Is there an option for a keyboard with dedicated PgUp/PgDn/Home/End/Insert/Delete keys? I looked at a bunch of designs and didn't find any. If this is a developer-focused laptop, how can the keyboard be so developer-unfriendly? This is why I keep getting Lenovo laptops, they don't compromise on these keys.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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post #157

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It's really not, though. You don't even need an Apple account to set up a Mac. I pay $3/month to Apple in exchange for full-quality backups of decades of photos, but I could easily stop doing that, or switch to another provider, if I wanted to. (I don't, because $3/month is extremely fair for what I get.) I've never paid for any other Apple service and likely never will. The OS never, ever nags me about services - co…

Whilst you don't "need" an Apple account to setup a Mac, using a Macbook without an account may not be viable for a lot of people. First and foremost, you cannot install any applications through the primary method of app installation, which is the App Store. You also cannot use certain applications like iMovie (which is pre-installed) without an Apple Account. MacOS will always prompt you in the Settings to sign in w…

I've never seen it stated anywhere that the App Store is the primary method for macOS. Well, I could be wrong, maybe Apple does mention it somewhere, but pretty much every popular app publisher still publishes their .dmg file directly on their own website, much like most Windows developers.

At least I've never had to use the store in my 15+ years of using MacBooks, and I can't see myself using one anytime soon, unless Apple starts forcing you to (in which case I'll just stick to using homebrew).

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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As soon as I saw the email announcement for the 13 Pro, my face fell. My assumption was that this was a brand new, incompatible chassis, and that my current 13 would be obsolete, and if I want to go further, I'd have to buy a whole new chassis in one go. Essentially a full laptop replacement, completely betraying the entire point. And then I click through and see the compatibility table and my jaw drops. Amazing! Yes…

This is my plan as well, start with the chassis and find a newer mainboard second-hand. I configured a 2TB SSD and 64 GB of LPCAMM2 RAM to see the price for the new 13 pro and it was doubled from about 1500 CAD to over 3200 CAD before tax. Upgrading the mainboard, when I have a perfectly functioning (and fast) 12th gen Intel i5, is out of the question for now.

If you ever decide to buy the whole new system, buy it without memory and storage from Framework and of course DIY instead of assembled. You can get them cheaper elsewhere. They aren’t Apple-level overpriced for memory but they are noticeably overpriced.

This advice is a bit more difficult with the current LPCAMM situation. In the US, besides Framework, I was only able to find a 32GB module from Adorama, seemingly a left over new stock Crucial module that I assume must be discontinued in Crucial-branded form, or eBay. But it is far cheaper than Framework’s price ($250) and seemingly still available.

(Interestingly, Adorama’s website says that it’s “trending.”)

You’ll save at least a little bit of pocket change buying your SSD elsewhere at the very least.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

#578
post #479

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This is largely driven by RAM prices, which is a real shame.

I bought a Thinkpad P16s with 64 GB of LPDDR5x ram in October 2024 for just over $1100. 64 GB of LPDDR5x will add $849 to the price of a Framework 13 Pro. Thats insane. I would love a future Framework 16 Pro but that will probably run $3500 for the configuration that I would want if memory and storage prices don't come down.

You need to consider the upgradability aspect too - the next time you want to upgrade, you just need to buy a new mainboard, which would be considerably cheaper than buying a whole new laptop.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Is there an option for a keyboard with dedicated PgUp/PgDn/Home/End/Insert/Delete keys? I looked at a bunch of designs and didn't find any. If this is a developer-focused laptop, how can the keyboard be so developer-unfriendly? This is why I keep getting Lenovo laptops, they don't compromise on these keys.

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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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post #360

The whole page advertises how well this runs Linux, but then… > The side-firing speakers are tuned with Dolby Atmos® to deliver clear, balanced audio on Windows

In my experience, Linux support on Framework is worse than on a typical ThinkPad, and they don't have much interest in contributing to the ecosystem like System76 does. They still make good products, I'm just very unimpressed with the Linux marketing.

For me it’s very much “it just works” with pretty much every distro I try. I had to configure zero hardware. How much better am I supposed to expect it to be?

They financially sponsor Linux/OSS projects and give them laptops to test on. What more do you want them to do?

They don’t have a zillion employees like Lenovo who is the #1 volume computer company in the world.

Finally, IMO, System76 is a much worse example because they aren’t focusing on the things Linux needs to grow. Linux doesn’t need contributions like their their silly Ubuntu reskin distro to be popular on the desktop. Instead, Linux needs a company making compatible hardware that is good, attractive hardware that will stop people from buying a MacBook instead.

The System76 lineup is a complete mess of white label Clevo systems. They have no business offering 8 different laptop models. That just tells potential customers “wow, buying a Linux laptop is a lot more complicated than buying a Mac!”

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