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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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You might not want to fight in the war but eventually the war might fight you whether you like it or not.

That's not true. When France surrendered in WW2 most French men didn't have to fight or die (unless they were Jewish).

> unless they were Jewish

Cold comfort. Just decide to not be of Jewish descent then. Who would have known it's so easy to escape the attention of the Gestapo! /s

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But the UN DHR doesn’t seem to have been written as law. It was written as a declaration, in line with our own Declaration of Independence. It lists our ideals that need to be spelled into law. That lets it be airy and vague in a way laws cannot.

How does this relate to my comment?

It isn’t “every law.” It’s not written to be directly operationalised. You’re comparing a declaration of values to operational law; they’re words in different ways and contexts.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Welcome to Dubai, German habibis, you can join all the Russians fleeing their draft here. Still a lot less likely to get hit by a drone here than to die when fighting on the frontlines in Europe.

Why would someone go to a place in an actual conflict zone that is under attack by actual drones right now to flee from hypothetical drones in a hypothetical conflict?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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I have been living in Germany for 11 years and qualify for citizenship. This is exactly the kind of thing that has stopped me. If this country goes to war, I'm out. My presence here has always been transactional when it benefited Germany. It will stay transactional when it benefits me.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Not sure about constitution, but it is clearly discrimination based on sex, which violates plenty of EU laws and regulations.

Some countries in the EU, like mine, have funny discrimination laws that say a positive discrimination is not considered a discrimination under the law, so it cannot be challenged. It is used as the basis for all women-favoring regulations.

Such laws are unconstitutional in Germany. I'd be interested in which country you live in and an example of such a law.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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It’s interesting to read the discussion here through the lens of obligations vs rights. It would seem the rights are definitely winning.

At the moment, the German state is reneging on its obligations. The current workforce is expected to work harder and harder while retirement is pushed back and social benefits are threatened. A third or a fifth of the population is considering emigration already. Why would they fight for a country that is giving up on them?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Are you surprised that a forum full of people all-in hustle culture and the whole VC-startup grift is extremely selfish? This is not to say that the government should get blind faith, but some notions that the collective good has any value is alien to many people here. Libertarianism is a societal disease. "Fuck you got mine".

How is refusing to kill your fellow men selfishness? For one organization over one other?

In Bucha members of the Russian army systematically raped and murdered the towns occupants after it was occupied.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

#578

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Rather than curtailing women's right to vote, my preferred solution would be to increase men's right to not be conscripted.

You can't have a country that doesn't have conscription in time of war. For example if Russia were to attack which is unlikely but plausible. I don't like conscription at all and it's necessary but still an evil.

It is not necessary, because the state has a legitimate right to taxation. Every non-military person in the country can be taxed down to the poverty level to pay volunteer troops. This is morally superior to enslaving people.

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And what about a government which sends sons? Your point makes absolutely no sense, especially in relation to feminism. Equal rights and equal duties.

Yes, but in 12 month, 1 man and 20 women can produce the 20 kids. It's not the case with 1 woman and 20 men.

That's a thought game, not reality.
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