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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by jodrellblank »

muyuu wrote: post #344
jodrellblank wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR has very little to do with dark patterns, nag screens, or online tracking? > " all the rest of it is a terrible idea " Having a legal right to ask a company for a copy of all the data they have on you is terrible? Having a right to ask a company to correct errors in data about you, or delete data about you, that's terrible? A company having to tell you what they intend do with data about you and stick to it for…

you didn't get to read all post did you there are bits, but the total package is cancer

yes I did read all your post. It seems to have incorrect claims.

> "i completely reject it, because people seem to believe it's there to protect any rights"

Under "Your rights" section on the UK government website you can see that it grants you rights, so people have good reason to believe that: https://www.gov.uk/data-protection

How does it nag people? How does it legitimise dark patterns? What is in it regarding tracking? How does it push people to concentrate their services in a bad way? The GDPR is not just for websites, it's for all dealings with companies.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by kyleee »

Bender wrote: post #334

I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services I do not hesitate to drop a domain that acts suspicious into uBlock Origin -> My Filters: ||somedomain.tld$ Never gets another packet from me. I use local Brick & Mortar businesses for as many things as I can. The businesses on the internet have jumped the shark.

Nice, so that just nukes anything and everything from that domain? I use ublock filters extensively but haven’t specified an entire domain like this

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by Bender »

kyleee wrote: post #572
Bender wrote: post #334

I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services I do not hesitate to drop a domain that acts suspicious into uBlock Origin -> My Filters: ||somedomain.tld$ Never gets another packet from me. I use local Brick & Mortar businesses for as many things as I can. The businesses on the internet have jumped the shark.

Nice, so that just nukes anything and everything from that domain? I use ublock filters extensively but haven’t specified an entire domain like this

I have a typo. the $ should be ^ but otherwise yes.

    ||github.com^
would block all of github.com

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

"Siting[sic] there I realized, we were not the real target. It is the young people that are growing up conditioned to press accept, enter any details asked of them, and to not value their personal data."

I have seen (young) parents who are more addicted to this sort of careless internet use than their kids

It will take some years before the cycle is broken

Future generations will not be conditioned the same as prior ones

Perhaps "age verification" as a wake-up call could mark the beginning of the transition

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by Barbing »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #568
Barbing wrote: post #130

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When a 10-year-old registers for an adult website, they pretend they're 100 years old. Their age is 90 years different from the stated birthday. Eighty years later, the birth date is just as far off—but the implied age is now only 10 years off.

We're keeping the same date here. 80 years later, the site thinks they're 180 years old. So it's still 90 years off, but now it's only 2x off instead of 10x off.

Oh! Thanks

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by citizenpaul »

frshgts wrote: post #433
cortesoft wrote: post #163

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I am in my mid forties, been working as a professional software developer for over 20 years. I click “accept the cookies” almost every time. I just personally don’t feel it’s worth the effort and cost to try to avoid it. What “dark pattern cookie trick” are you worried about? I just can’t come up with a scenario where it will actually harm me in any way. All the examples I have heard are either completely implausible…

I recently spoke with an engineer who was building a product using the information he is able to acquire from these data brokers. This includes every search query you've ever made, anything you've purchased with a credit card, and anything that is in the public record (i.e. a pending divorce case, or child custody dispute). He uses that information to generate a profile on leads to determine how much they can squeeze…

This is the crux. What is happening is a system of complete information asymmetry is being created. it is not being created to help you in any way.

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Post by citizenpaul »

cortesoft wrote: post #528
twodave wrote: post #514

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> My decision to vote is not rational And I think this is great. Often our convictions aren't, and those are what make us interesting! I also think it's interesting how/why we rationalize our irrational behaviors! For example, I generally feel the same way as you about voting, but I don't like living as (in my mind, at least) a defeatist. Also, I feel that if I didn't vote then I have no right to complain or have an…

I mean, I do actually vote in every election, for the same reasons you are talking about. There are social reasons I do it, and there is something communal and bonding about the process of elections. But it isn't because my individual vote actually matters.

>vote matters...

If you only pay attention to national elections sure. Tons of local and state elections come down to a couple hundred votes all the time.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by drawfloat »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #306
marmarama wrote: post #143

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The problem is those self-same authoritarian strongmen are very successfully using sockpuppeting to change national discourses in ways that benefit them and are detrimental to the targeted countries. Hybrid war is real and has been ongoing for more than a decade. LLMs make it way more cost effective. Being able to limit the influence of external bad actors is the main goal of ID verification. Age verification is a us…

> Being able to limit the influence of external bad actors is the main goal of ID verification. Then they should say so. Elected officials lying to and misleading the public when their real intentions differ is almost criminal. It's not a behavior anyone should ever support. I will not vote for people who do that.

The stated reason is also true in most cases. Imgur was caught harvesting and selling childrens’ data for advertising purposes, TikTok and others are also known to do this. There’s only so long you can avoid fixing a problem before states start to step in.
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