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OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation

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Re: OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation

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Someone please explain how OpenAI is not Netscape 2026. They had first mover advantage but no network effect, no moat, and are racing to stay ahead of infinitely resourced incumbents.

I can’t. I think they are one viral TikTok away from the pendulum swinging to Chat Gemini, which for most people, the no cost version is perfectly adequate

Yep, I moved my day to day chat to Gemini and my code stuff to Cursor.

Re: OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation

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Someone please explain how OpenAI is not Netscape 2026. They had first mover advantage but no network effect, no moat, and are racing to stay ahead of infinitely resourced incumbents.

Ok where is the Microsoft explorer of this “Netscape”

Gemini is a pretty spot on comparison. Google is putting in front of users at every opportunity. And Gemini is a way better product than IE ever was.

Re: OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation

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> Wrong. They will use the model that gives them an edge. If they are using a PhD but their competitors are using Einstein, they will lose. For some tasks that matters. But for a lot of tasks, "good enough but cheaper" will win out. I'm sure there will be a market for whichever company has the best model, but just like most companies don't hire many PhD's, most companies won't feel a need for the highest end models e…

Models will get smarter and cheaper. For those that are burned directly into silicon, there will be a market for old models - as the alternative is to dump that silicon in a landfill. For models that run on general-purpose AI hardware, I don't know why the vendors would waste that resource on old models.

Who says anything about old models? What we're seeing is that as the frontier models get better, we get cheaper, better small models that leverage the advanced but cost a fraction. At the same time, hardware provides morez cheaper options. Sometimes far faster options too (e.g. Cerebras).

In terms of price, I can get 1m output tokens from Deepseek for 40 cents vs. 25 dollars for Opus, and a number of models near the 1-2 dollar mark that are increasingly viable for a larger set of applications.

Providers will keep running those cheaper models as long as there's demand.

Re: OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation

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What's the meme with SoftBank? Just that they're super bad at investments?

Ya. The WeWork debacle and investing $300 million into Wag, an imploded Uber for dog walking, surely wasn't helping.

The idea being that you could at a random time call upon some random person to walk your dog? Someone wasted $300M on that? Must have been in a very sheltered environment.

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> The model is the moat What model? GPT4o certainly isn’t a moat for open ai. They need to keep training better and better models because qwen3, kimi k2.5 etc constantly nipping at their heels. > Wrong. They will use the model that gives them an edge. If they are using a PhD but their competitors are using Einstein, they will lose. It depends on the business. As much as I’d love to engage a PhD or an Einstein in my V…

It's a moat. Yes, they must keep refilling it, but it's all they have. My PhD vs Einstein analogy was bad. What I mean is stupid vs smart. Nobody is going to pay for a stupid model when they can pay a bit more for smart.

But what if all models that are smart enough for the task? Then its about price no?

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This is a common misconception OpenAI and others are already profitable on inference (inference is really really cheap) They are just heavily investing into the latest frontier The biggest risk is whether they can stay cutting edge, or if open source or others will catch up quickly.

At the end of the day, they're still burning cash. Even if inference is cheap, it's also not hard to compete on. They aren't going to be a trillion dollar inference company. Eventually there will be a race to the bottom on inference price to the customer by companies that aren't trying to subsidize their GPU investments. OpenAI is spending money because they think they need to for their business to survive. They're h…

OpenAI and quite honestly the others think they are in a race to AGI not the bottom. That's why they aren't concerning themselves with moats or cost. This is quite simply a massive bet that we've already cracked AGI and the rest is just funding the engineering to make it happen.

I personally think we haven't cracked AGI yet but it doesn't change their calculus.

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Uber and Airbnb have network effects. You cant increase price when there is no cost in switching.

I dont see how network effects applies to Uber/Airbnb because nothing stops drivers/hosts from listing their property in multiple such apps

People continue using Airbnb because that's where the properties are listed. And owners keep listing properties because that's where the users are.

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That's like giving them* $20. And inflate your revenue by $80. Laws on competition make this kind of arrangements illegal, so you would have to exerce influence and have the invested in company pretends you happen to have been picked among competitors. In any case the SEC will be focused on whether the filings aren't made up to fraud investors, so they could reject the IPO, of the invested in company. Your own entity…

> they have good legal goons who find way to make all of it appears fair with regards to the law I thought it was more that the legal goons delay the final judgement until Microsoft can eventually find someone they can (technically legally) bribe to drop the case?

Swallowing a few millions dollars fine will do. The DOJ needs to fund the whole department. By then MS will have moved onto other things, rinse and repeat.

Re: OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation

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Google has enough momentum at this point to make the startups technically irrelevant, and they've only just started speeding up. Arguably they've already leapfrogged Anthropic and OpenAI in every field that matters, infrastructure, distribution, price, verification, all google, enterprise and actual model intelligence, currently a toss up but google is improving the fastest, SOTA in so many categories eventually this will coincide with the FOTM.
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