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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by youngtaff »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #544
danlitt wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US's low press freedom index is precisely because people are being legally intimidated for wrongthink. It is not limited to the press, either. Mahmoud Khalil (the Palestinian activist detained by ICE on fake immigration charges for his political speech) is a famous example, but there are many. The US's "commitment to free speech" is nowadays not very much more noble than Russia's principled stand against economic…

Plenty of people in the UK are arrested for wrongthink. You might think that's justified (e.g. because it is hateful) but it is still arresting someone for speech.

Arrested for incitement not wrong think… if they had done the same thing in the street and there was evidence they would have been arrested too

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by throwaway24778 »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #548
arrrg wrote: post #530

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The people in Europe have a different view of freedom of speech and that’s fine. Not everything that’s a slightly different perspective on freedom of speech and what that entails and includes is tyranny.

So there is censorship, you just think that it is good. That's fine! But you should own the position and justify it on its own terms instead of pretending that it doesn't count as censorship.

Sure but filtering what you say is also a form of censorship. Swinging the term around like it's some form of morality is silly; anyone who isn't for a form of censorship is just a moron and an asshole. Or even worse: a liberal.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by locknitpicker »

Waterluvian wrote: post #41
schoen wrote: post #38

I just chaired a session at the FOCI conference earlier today, where people were talking about Internet censorship circumvention technologies and how to prevent governments from blocking them. I'd like to remind everyone that the U.S. government has been one the largest funders of that research for decades. Some of it is under USAGM (formerly BBG, the parent of RFE/RL) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Agen…

It’s a clear way to project soft power: make sure your message and culture can get through.

> It’s a clear way to project soft power: make sure your message and culture can get through.

You're talking about an administration that actively tries to censor candidates of opposition candidates through both state regulatory institutions such as the FCC and business collusion, a typical play out of the fascist playbook with state and oligarchs colluding to strong arm their political goals.

It's also the same administration who is actively involved in supporting other dictatorial regimes and destabilize Europe, including with very explicit and overt threats of war of invasion to annex territories.

It's also the same administration that is clearly a puppet administration controlled by another totalitarian regime - Russia.

There is no soft power in this stunt. Only further self-destructive actions to further kill the US's relevance as an European ally.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by danlitt »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #544
danlitt wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US's low press freedom index is precisely because people are being legally intimidated for wrongthink. It is not limited to the press, either. Mahmoud Khalil (the Palestinian activist detained by ICE on fake immigration charges for his political speech) is a famous example, but there are many. The US's "commitment to free speech" is nowadays not very much more noble than Russia's principled stand against economic…

Plenty of people in the UK are arrested for wrongthink. You might think that's justified (e.g. because it is hateful) but it is still arresting someone for speech.

I didn't say that they weren't. Hundreds of people were arrested for opposing the proscription of Palestine Action. The UK's defence of free expression is not great.

What I did say is that the US's position is not as a defender of free speech either (and as Russia is not a defender of free trade). They have particular speech they like to promote (the KKK, stormfront) and particular speech they like to suppress (criticism of war crimes, books about being trans). Draw whatever conclusions you like from that.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by locknitpicker »

b112 wrote: post #376
Mikhail_Edoshin wrote: post #298

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And lies.

And truth.

> And truth.

The world is yet to find a single piece of truth coming out of the Trump administration. I mean, shall we discuss how Trump claims the Epstein files exonerate him when he is reported as directly, deeply, and personally involved in every single gruesome aspect of the criminal organization?

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by asgerhb »

jbstack wrote: post #559
nolok wrote: post #505

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Which country ?

Italy. Examples of sites I can't access without VPN: torrent sites (including legal uses), betfair.com (which I use as a more accurate political predictor than polls), and various non-EU sites which block access because they've decided it's easier than complying with extra-territorial requirements imposed by the EU (this one isn't direct EU censorship, but it amounts to the same thing indirectly. Sometimes I set my V…

I'm unfamiliar with Italian piracy laws and surveillance but I can tell you that accessing torrent sites for me was a simple matter of choosing a proper DNS provider.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by jbstack »

jahller wrote: post #527
nolok wrote: post #505

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Which country ?

yeah, i'm calling bullshit. unless this person tries to surf the russian web or get behind the great firewall of china.

See my sibling comment to yours. I have no reason to lie.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by locknitpicker »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #499
MASNeo wrote: post #388

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Worse, half-truths and half-lies.

That's why diversity of sources is the only way to escape censorship: you get one half truth from one source, another half truth from another source, then two halves make whole truth.

> That's why diversity of sources is the only way to escape censorship:

No, it's a page out of the old fascist playbook where flooding the stage with propaganda generates enough confusion to help fascists further their hateful agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by Gareth321 »

talideon wrote: post #557
Gareth321 wrote: post #538

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"Malicious communications" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. This veteran was arrested for retweeting this meme ( https://abuwjaawap.cloudimg.io/v7/_lgbtqnation-assets_/asset... ). https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11066477/Veteran-ar... He was offered to undergo "re-education." You might not like this meme. You might find it offensive. But should he be arrested by several officers for it? Of course not. This i…

Oh yes, the bastion of truth that is the Daily Mail. Sorry, my eyes just rolled out if my head.

The story is widely reported:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irishman-arrested-for-...

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irishman-arrested...

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/08/03/memes-police-matter...

https://www.hrla.org.au/uk_man_arrested_for_social_media_mem...

Is this normally how you evade things which make you uncomfortable? Attacking the source?

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by foxglacier »

talideon wrote: post #557
Gareth321 wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Malicious communications" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. This veteran was arrested for retweeting this meme ( https://abuwjaawap.cloudimg.io/v7/_lgbtqnation-assets_/asset... ). https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11066477/Veteran-ar... He was offered to undergo "re-education." You might not like this meme. You might find it offensive. But should he be arrested by several officers for it? Of course not. This i…

Oh yes, the bastion of truth that is the Daily Mail. Sorry, my eyes just rolled out if my head.

Just Google it. It's been reported on various news sites. eg:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irishman-arrested-for-...

Maybe it's not on The Guardian or the BBC but it obviously doesn't fit their bias so you may have to accept other sources.

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