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Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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jjcm wrote: post #64

Here's the actual statement from the European Comission: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_... It's important to note they aren't creating laws against infinite scrolling , but are ruling against addictive design and pointing to infinite scrolling as an example of it. The wording here is fascinating, mainly because they're effectively acting as arbiters of "vibes". They point to certain feat…

> They point to certain features they'd like them to change, but there is no specific ruling around what you can/can't do.

The EU, in general, phrases laws and regulations more in terms of what they want to accomplish with them than in terms of what you can’t do.

In contrast, common law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law), over time, more or less collects a list of all things you may not do.

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lemoncookiechip wrote: post #174

This comes from the same EU that's wholeheartedly embracing gambling across their member states, gambling mind you that children can just as easily jump into with their phones and some will, but devastating for grown-ups just as much. They're not alone in this by any means, America has also opened their doors for all forms of gambling like Kalshi which now even sponsors news networks of all things. The EU has this di…

my man stop trying to validate a addiction with a whataboutisms of another addiction.

my money (lol) is on that EU will move to complete ban advertising of gambling in the next 2-3 years

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NeutralCrane wrote: post #454
phyzix5761 wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99.9% of businesses in the US are considered small businesses. If we look at all the businesses in the world small businesses make up an even larger percentage. In most parts of the world these are people with 0-5 employees; meaning they're just families and individuals trying to make ends meet. If you remove the ability for these people to advertise there goes their livelihood. I understand the desire to want to pun…

99.9% of small businesses do little to no advertising. I can’t recall seeing an ad for a single one of the small businesses I am a customer of. 99.9% of ads I get are for megacorporations and national brands.

I know people who do moderation for the advertising side of social platforms and they say that more than half of the advertising submissions are done by small businesses. They said that the estimate is around 90% of small businesses use internet advertising in some capacity. There's a bidding mechanism, though, so more big business ads may be shown; especially if you live in a populated region. But that's just a numbers game.

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Post by arter45 »

yunohn wrote: post #514
stingraycharles wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advertising = compensating someone to promote a product / company. It’s about the compensation. That makes it advertising. Regular booking.com is fine. Paying booking.com to allow your results to appear higher is not. Regular Google Maps to register your restaurant is fine. Paying Google Maps to promote your restaurant is not. It’s not that hard to implement. Advertising is pretty well defined.

> Paying booking.com to allow your results to appear higher is not. But booking takes a cut of the booking in all scenarios, so they’re already incentivized to prioritize results that result in more profit for them. This all gets very tricky unfortunately.

Yes, but that is different.

Scenario A: Booking.com wants to increase their profits so they analyze their results and prioritize the best ones to reach their target. Regardless, Booking takes a cut of everything.

Scenario B: if you pay Booking $10k you can get to the first page even if you are a random 1-star hotel. Booking takes a cut of everything and also profits by getting money in exchange for more visibility of certain results.

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Post by nicman23 »

seydor wrote: post #557
warmedcookie wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the cookie banners since it is an immediate indication to me that I should leave the site. It's an innate reflex at this point.

Let me guess, you use the app instead

what kinda braindead take is that?

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Post by apexalpha »

shevy-java wrote: post #556

Personally I don't like infinite scrolling - but the EU also needs to stop wasting time and energy on trying to micro-manage everything. We already had that disaster where pop-ups fly out "do you want to accept those cookies". That is just a usability nightmare. People are forced into extensions, just to stop wasting their time here. Also, while I dislike infinite scrolling, why should the EU regulate the design of a…

Many potentially addictive things or addictive properties of things are regulated.

Try selling something containing Nicotine and you will find the EU has an opinion on that, too.

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GaryBluto wrote: post #206

The EU's mission statement seems to be to make the internet as difficult to legally utilize as possible. I'm interested to see what measures people will use to get around the increasingly bizarre restrictions. Perhaps an official browser extension for each platform that reimplements bureaucrat-banned features?

i mean res did that for reddit before reddit got its new ui or app

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Post by debugnik »

MBCook wrote: post #360
kuschku wrote: post #330

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Germany has regulated it, (though states have slightly different regulations, some states even allowing online gambling, some banning all except the government run lottery). So it should be possible to regulate it.

Thanks. I’m not an EU citizen so I don’t know when EU level laws override member states or not.

Technically no, because EU directives aren't applied as written. They're goals for member states to make into national laws, which intentionally leaves them some leeway.

However, national law must reasonably satisfy EU directives, otherwise CJEU could determine that a member state is infringing EU law and fine them until they amend their law.

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Post by svara »

jjcm wrote: post #64

Here's the actual statement from the European Comission: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_... It's important to note they aren't creating laws against infinite scrolling , but are ruling against addictive design and pointing to infinite scrolling as an example of it. The wording here is fascinating, mainly because they're effectively acting as arbiters of "vibes". They point to certain feat…

> The wording here is fascinating, mainly because they're effectively acting as arbiters of "vibes".

A very common tension in law everywhere.

In the US you now have a 'major questions doctrine'. What the hell is a major question?

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Post by nicman23 »

tsoukase wrote: post #235

The hunt has started: EU burocracy vs TK. In the past EU has rarely directly attacked a single company with so specific points. But anytime they remained consistent and dedicaded to their target and usually won. It just took a long time (from a few years till decades). The only time they lost a policy was at stopping summer-time switch which was cancelled when Covid started. They avoid to mention the rest of social m…

even disregarding the fact that this affects multiple US based platforms that are larger than tiktok, have they tried to moderate their platform to not be unfettered brain rot?
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