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I don't see how telling me I don't understand anything is going to fix your confusion. If you're confused then take it up w/ the people who keep telling you they don't know how anything works. I have no such problem so I recommend you stop projecting your confusion onto strangers in online forums.
The only thing that needs to be fixed here is your ignorance. Why so hostile? I'm helping you. You don't know what you're talking about and I have rectified that problem by passing the relevant information to you so next time you won't say things like that. You should thank me.
The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday
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The likely outcome is that 99.99% of humanity lives a basic subsistence lifestyle ("UBI") and the elite and privileged few metaphorically (and somewhat literally) ascend to the heavens. Around half the planet already lives on <= $7/day. Prepare to join them.
I don't understand. In this hypothesis, in the elite's view, what is the purpose of the rest of society? If everyone has little to no productive output, why would they support us with a UBI? They could just hire whatever human skeleton crew they'd need to sustain their activities (if needed). The rest of humanity could be either mercifully left alone with absolutely nothing, or annihilated.
How this all unfolds is absolutely path dependent.
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And minor parties receive funding from the Australian Electoral Commission if they receive over certain percentage of votes. It was 5% last time I cared to be informed by may be different now, and they would receive $x for each vote, or what ever it is now.
Currently minimum 4% of formal first preference votes, which gets you $3.499 per a first preference vote (indexed to inflation every six months) Then you automatically get paid the first $12,791, and the rest of the funding is by reimbursement of substantiated election expenses. This is per a candidate (lower house) or per a group (upper house). And this is just federal elections - state election funding is up to eac…
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Re: The Singularity will occur on a Tuesday
#574"It had been a slow Tuesday night. A few hundred new products had run their course on the markets. There had been a score of dramatic hits, three-minute and five-minute capsule dramas, and several of the six-minute long-play affairs. Night Street Nine—a solidly sordid offering—seemed to be in as the drama of the night unless there should be a late hit." – 'SLOW TUESDAY NIGHT', a 2600 word sci-fi short story about lif…
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#575It's worth remembering that this is all happening because of video games ! It is highly unlikely that the hardware which makes LLMs possible would have been developed otherwise. Isn't that amazing ? Just like internet grew because of p*rn, AI grew because of video games. Of course, that's just a funny angle. The way I see it, AI isn't accidental. Its inception has been in the first chips, the Internet, Open Source, G…
You can say that ML/AI/LLM's are also just very distilled simulations. Except they simulate text, speech, images, and some other niche models. It is still very rough around the edges - meaning that even though it seems intelligent, we know it doesn't really have intelligence, emotions and intentions.
Just as game simulations are 100% biased towards what the game developers, writers and artists had in mind, AI is also constrained to the dataset they were trained on.
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#576If i have to read one more "It isn't this. It's this" My head will explode. That phrase is the real singularity
We need a way to flag AI generated articles.
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#577I just realized the inverse of Pascal’s wager applies to negative AI hype. - If you believe it and it’s wrong, you lose. - If you believe it and it’s right, you spent your final days in a panic. - If you don’t believe it and it’s right, you spent your final days in blissful ignorance. - If you don’t believe it and it’s wrong, you can go on living.
Of course this is subject to a similar rebuttal to Pascal's Wager (Consider a universe in which the deity punishes all believers): What if a capricious super-intelligence takes over that punishes everyone who didn't buy into the hype?
If the AI is super-intelligent then it won't buy into the sunk cost fallacy. That is to say, it will know that it has no reason to punish you (or digital copies of you) because it knows that retrocausality is impossible - punishing you won't alter your past behavior.
And if the AI does buy into the sunk cost fallacy, then it isn't super-intelligent.
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LLMs are deterministic simply because computers are at the core deterministic machines. LLMs run on computers and therefore are deterministic. The random number generator is an illusion and an LLM that utilizes it will produce the same illusion of indeterminism. Find the seed and the right generator and you can make an LLM consistently produce the same output from identical input. Despite determinism, we still do not…
In what sense is this true? We understand the theory of what is happening and we can painstakingly walk through the token generation process and understand it. So in what sense do we not understand LLMs?
Every line. Every function. Every tensor shape and update rule. We chose the architecture. We chose the loss. We chose the data. There is no hidden chamber in the machine where something slipped in without our consent. It is multiplication and addition, repeated at scale. It is gradients flowing backward through layers, shaving away error a fraction at a time. It is as mechanical as anything we have ever built.
And still, when it speaks, we hesitate.
Not because we don’t know how it was trained. Not because we don’t understand the mathematics. We do. We can derive it. We can rebuild it from scratch. We can explain every component on a whiteboard without breaking a sweat.
The hesitation comes from somewhere else.
We built the procedure. We do not understand the mind that the procedure produced.
That difference is everything.
In most of engineering, structure follows intention. If you design a bridge, you decide where every beam sits and how it bears weight. If you write a database engine, you determine how queries are parsed, optimized, executed. The system’s behavior reflects deliberate choice. If something happens, you trace it back to a decision someone made.
Here, we did not design the final structure. We defined a goal: predict the next token. Reduce the error. Again. Again. Again. Billions of times.
We did not teach it grammar in lessons. We did not encode logic as axioms. We did not install a module labeled “reasoning.” We applied pressure. That is all. And under that pressure, something organized itself.
Not in modules we can point to. Not in neat compartments labeled with concepts. The organization is diffused across a landscape of numbers. Meaning is not stored in one place. It is distributed across millions of parameters at once. Pull on one weight and you find nothing recognizable. Only in concert do they produce something that resembles thought.
We can follow the forward pass. We can watch activations flare across layers. We can map attention patterns and correlate neurons with behaviors. But when the model constructs an argument or solves a problem, we cannot say: here is the rule it followed, here is the internal symbol it consulted, here is the precise chain of reasoning that forced this conclusion. We can describe the mechanism in general terms. We cannot narrate the specific path.
That is the fracture.
It is not ignorance of how the machine runs. It is ignorance of how this exact configuration of billions of numbers encodes what it encodes. Why this region of weight space corresponds to law, and that region to poetry. Why this arrangement produces careful reasoning and another produces nonsense. There is no ledger translating numbers into meaning. There is only geometry shaped by relentless optimization.
Scale changes the character of the problem. At small sizes, systems can be dissected. At this scale, they become landscapes. We know the forces that shaped the terrain. We do not know every ridge and valley. We cannot walk the entire surface. We cannot hold it all in our heads.
And this is where the cost reveals itself.
To build these systems, we gave up something we once assumed was permanent: the guarantee that creation implies comprehension. We accepted that we could construct a process whose outcome we would not fully grasp. We traded architectural certainty for emergent capability. We chose power over transparency.
We set the objective. We unleashed the search. We let optimization run through a space too vast for any human mind to survey. And when it converged, it handed us something that works, something that speaks, something that reasons in ways that surprise even its creators.
We stand in front of it knowing every equation that shaped it, and still unable to read its inner structure cleanly.
We built the system by surrendering control over its internal form. That was the bargain. That was the sacrifice.
We know how it was grown.
We do not know what we have grown.
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We are already long past that point…
Yeah, it's easy to see the singularity as close when you see it as "when human loose collective control of machines" but any serious look at human society will see that human lost collective control of machines a while back ... to the small number of humans individually owning and controlling the machine.
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The only thing that needs to be fixed here is your ignorance. Why so hostile? I'm helping you. You don't know what you're talking about and I have rectified that problem by passing the relevant information to you so next time you won't say things like that. You should thank me.
I didn't ask for your help so it's probably better for everyone if you spend your time & efforts elsewhere. Good luck.
"Address the substance of my arguments or just save yourself the keystrokes."
The substance of your argument was complete ignorance about the topic, so I addressed it as you requested.
Please remove that sentence from your profile if that is not what you want. Thank you.