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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by oenton »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #550
oenton wrote: post #545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Private citizens on the street confronting law enforcement What actions are you alleging qualifies as confronting ? Be specific. Unless I have a wildly different definition of confronting , everything I've read and every video I've seen from different angles shows the opposite. (This is setting aside the fact that having a concealed carry permit and carrying a legal firearm is not a death sentence in this country.)

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> No one seems to want to answer these questions.

Have you considered why? It's telling that you haven't answered my question: How exactly did the victim confront law enforcement?

I can't speak for everyone here but frankly, I find these "Would you do X?" questions irrelevant and I struggle to see a good faith reason for asking them. I can think of many bad faith reasons, for example shifting blame to the victim to remove focus from the border patrol agents' actions. Or a more charitable interpretation is you view this as a simple matter of cause and effect: if he didn't bring a gun he'd still be alive; or perhaps, if he stayed home altogether he'd still be alive. Is that your motivation for asking these questions?

Setting aside the fact that no, we don't know those things to be true, I don't think that interpretation of your intent is much better. But you also haven't been forthcoming with why you're placing so much importance on these questions.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by card_zero »

dang wrote: post #257
slg wrote: post #181

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With the direction we're headed, there's a non-zero chance that some day soon I'll click on over to https://news.ycombinator.com/active and see "[flagged][dead] US Erupts in Civil War" and I'll click on the comments to see a copied and pasted comment from dang with a link to a dozen other comments explaining why this political story doesn't belong on HN. "Politics" doesn't care about your apolitical spaces. It's comi…

People have been making a version of this argument for as long as I've been doing this job. There is always a feeling of this-time-is-different, how-can-you-not urgency. I'm not saying that's wrong, but there's a counterargument. The counterargument is that political flames have a way of consuming everything they touch and that if we had listened to this argument in the past, HN would have ceased to exist years ago.…

But reading all those old threads, I got three interpretations of "on topic":

1. Trivial intellectual trinkets,

2. Important topics that happen to overlap with intellectual interest,

3. Important topics that we somehow manage to have a thoughtful discussion about.

Is "off-topic" really about the standard of discussion and not about the topic?

There's a lot of mysterious influences in the dynamics between topic type, community culture, and standard of discussion. I mean to say that allowing thoughtful discussions of controversial topics is not a pipe dream, but it only happens occasionally and we're not really capable of sustained flight, so to speak. It seems like the interesting (worthy, important) adventures into inflammatory topics are parasitic on the comfortable trivial intellectual fluff, which keeps the forum-wide inflammation level down.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by Jtsummers »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #566
nullocator wrote: post #558

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I don't think the phrasing of "confront law enforcement" is right here, in a period of about 20 seconds he went from helping a woman who had been pushed, to maced in the face, to dead. This is not confrontation, you can literally see him clutching the woman he had previously been helping up in a panic after they were sprayed with chemicals. But setting all of that aside (which is a big aside), even if he was confront…

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They had him pinned to the ground and disarmed when they shot him in the back, based off the various analyses of the videos. So the shooting is going to be very hard to justify (though they'll try really hard, and so will you it seems).

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by B1FIDO »

dummydummy1234 wrote: post #543
softwaredoug wrote: post #99

This is probably a good day to take time away from social media. Doom scrolling won’t do anything Instead there’s DHS funding going through Congress which could give Congress leverage to restrict ICE. To be clear ICE will still operate past the funding deadline. But Congress can create limits like mandating allowing states to investigate these crimes. Restrict who can carry firearms. Write your senators and ask them…

How about no masks. If you are a police officer, of the state, wear your face with pride.

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by CamperBob2 »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #550
oenton wrote: post #545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Private citizens on the street confronting law enforcement What actions are you alleging qualifies as confronting ? Be specific. Unless I have a wildly different definition of confronting , everything I've read and every video I've seen from different angles shows the opposite. (This is setting aside the fact that having a concealed carry permit and carrying a legal firearm is not a death sentence in this country.)

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None of your business. Or ICE's.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by schoen »

sleight42 wrote: post #570
crote wrote: post #463

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> America has checks and balances, and they have failed. America pretended to have checks and balances. Everyone just turned a blind eye to the massive holes in them and pretended things were going to be fiiiiine.

Our own "founding fathers" knew that no system could stop someone determined enough to destroy it from inside. "The dignity and stability of government in all its branches, the morals of the people, and every blessing of society depend so much upon an upright and skillful administration of justice, that the judicial power ought to be distinct from both the legislative and executive, and independent upon both, that so…

The Justice Department isn't the same as the judicial branch. The Justice Department is (among several other things) the lawyers who represent the government in front of (judicial branch) courts.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by defrost »

sleight42 wrote: post #570
crote wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> America has checks and balances, and they have failed. America pretended to have checks and balances. Everyone just turned a blind eye to the massive holes in them and pretended things were going to be fiiiiine.

Our own "founding fathers" knew that no system could stop someone determined enough to destroy it from inside. "The dignity and stability of government in all its branches, the morals of the people, and every blessing of society depend so much upon an upright and skillful administration of justice, that the judicial power ought to be distinct from both the legislative and executive, and independent upon both, that so…

Benjamin Franklin literally stated it was "good enough for now" (where "now" == hundreds of years past) despite lacking sufficient checks and balances, and would need constant attendance and amending over time until the likes of the Federalists found themselves a Trump to white ant the US from the inside out.

  I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.
~ https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a7s3.html

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by comfysocks »

UncleMeat wrote: post #525
IncreasePosts wrote: post #413

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"The Queen of England Dies" and "Donald Trump elected president" both happily sat at #1.

This article is #1 on news.ycombinator.com/active right now. Obviously top of mind for a lot of us right now. Pretty hard to find it without the /active, though.

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Post by slater »

B1FIDO wrote: post #574
dummydummy1234 wrote: post #543

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How about no masks. If you are a police officer, of the state, wear your face with pride.

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take your ignorant takes elsewhere, please. or at least be less of a coward and use your real hn account
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