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Post by troupo »

autoexec wrote: post #294
troupo wrote: post #212

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> then you'll get a lot of tracks that they don't need to pay royalties for I love this conspiracy theory. Which track doesn't Spotify pay royalties for? Considering that it licenses 100% of its music from external distributors.

I'm not saying they are doing it now, but what's stopping them from generating their own tracks? What's to stop them from creating some bullshit company to generate AI slop and then licensing music from themselves at fractions of what they'd pay a real artist just to keep up the illusion so that real artists don't leave their platform? If a corporation can do something that will make them more money than they'd make…

> I'm not saying they are doing it now, but what's stopping them from generating their own tracks? What's to stop them from creating

When they do that, let's talk. But that's not what I asked, is it?

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Post by troupo »

james_marks wrote: post #360
troupo wrote: post #212

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> then you'll get a lot of tracks that they don't need to pay royalties for I love this conspiracy theory. Which track doesn't Spotify pay royalties for? Considering that it licenses 100% of its music from external distributors.

Not a conspiracy theory. Spotify hires session musicians (pre-AI) to pay a flat fee for hours of background music. Since many high volume Spotify users just want “something jazzy” in the background, it helps them reduce royalties.

> Spotify hires session musicians (pre-AI) to pay a flat fee for hours of background music.

Spotify doesn't do it because Spotify doesn't produce music and doesn't have direct contracts with musicians.

> Since many high volume Spotify users just want “something jazzy” in the background, it helps them reduce royalties.

How does it help them reduce royalties when they don't produce their own music and license 100% of their music from distributors and rights holders?

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Post by schnitzelstoat »

notahacker wrote: post #394
crucialfelix wrote: post #266

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Electronic music is also very closely related to computer animation. Animated film technology is much more advanced, but a lot of techniques are similar.

Probably a good analogy too. Pixar's creative process is quite different from drawing it frame by frame and at least some aspects of it will use have used some sort of generative process, but it's incredibly involved and conscious in a way that typing "video of cute cartoon cat, Pixar style" into a prompt isn't. Same applies to Bandcamp not having any issues with people making music in a DAW

Yeah, but we also haven't seen what making actually decent music or movies or whatever with AI will look like. Maybe it simply won't be possible and there will not be a market for it.

But if it is possible it's probably going to be a lot more involved than just '"video of cute cartoon cat, Pixar style" into a prompt'.

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Post by Dormeno »

nartho wrote: post #144
BrokrnAlgorithm wrote: post #79

I'm a musician, but am also pretty amused by this anti ai wave. There was recently a post referencing aphex twin and old school idm and electronic music stuff and i can't help bein reminded how every new tech kit got always demonized until some group of artists came along and made it there own. Even if its just creative prompting, or perhaps custom trained models, someday someone will come along and make a genuine ar…

The issue is not so much an artist that will use it as a tool, even though there is much to say about it, it's the hundred of thousands of people with no interest in music whatsoever, that will flood the platforms in order to make a quick buck.

> it's the hundred of thousands of people with no interest in music whatsoever, that will flood the platforms in order to make a quick buck.

Whenever I look at popular artists on streaming platforms, I see 'remixes' where people just slowed down the particular original song and added reverb or some other silly effect to it. I don't think AI existing or not will change the behaviour of people trying to make a quick buck. If they aren't using AI, they'll use a different tool as they did before.

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Post by dev_hugepages »

BrokrnAlgorithm wrote: post #79

I'm a musician, but am also pretty amused by this anti ai wave. There was recently a post referencing aphex twin and old school idm and electronic music stuff and i can't help bein reminded how every new tech kit got always demonized until some group of artists came along and made it there own. Even if its just creative prompting, or perhaps custom trained models, someday someone will come along and make a genuine ar…

I’m more hopeful that MIDI completion/in-filling models will be easier for musicians to control and use. But right now, the most popular tools are things like Suno, where you barely have any control and it spits out an entire, possibly mediocre song. It’s the same vein as ChatGPT image generation vs. Stable Diffusion, where you can do much more controllable inpaints with the latter.

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Post by davidgerard »

BrokrnAlgorithm wrote: post #79

I'm a musician, but am also pretty amused by this anti ai wave. There was recently a post referencing aphex twin and old school idm and electronic music stuff and i can't help bein reminded how every new tech kit got always demonized until some group of artists came along and made it there own. Even if its just creative prompting, or perhaps custom trained models, someday someone will come along and make a genuine ar…

"greetings, fellow musicians" - genAI and quant guy

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Post by richrichardsson »

nluken wrote: post #333
eterm wrote: post #169

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I can't remember the artist but there's a fun song about how they used to pick up second hand LPs really cheap and then they got popular and too expensive, then discovered second hand CDs are really cheap now. Frank turner-ish vibes but I don't think it was actually him. It's completely un-googlable though, and even the LLMs aren't much help on this one.

Oh! I know this one! You're thinking of Jeffrey Lewis & The Voltage's LPs from 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urXygZXb74 '

Humans prove to have some value in the LLM age after all! /s

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Post by te_chris »

nluken wrote: post #333
eterm wrote: post #169

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I can't remember the artist but there's a fun song about how they used to pick up second hand LPs really cheap and then they got popular and too expensive, then discovered second hand CDs are really cheap now. Frank turner-ish vibes but I don't think it was actually him. It's completely un-googlable though, and even the LLMs aren't much help on this one.

Oh! I know this one! You're thinking of Jeffrey Lewis & The Voltage's LPs from 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urXygZXb74 '

Love it. Not often you get music threads like this on HN!

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Post by te_chris »

patates wrote: post #122
te_chris wrote: post #91

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Yes. But shhhhh about cds, don’t want people to realise… Also the price of decent (Sony hifi grade, not ES) CD players used is great too.

Aren't CD players just reading digits? I'm not anywhere close to a hifi expert but it must be all about the DAC, no? Or do you mean the ones with a built-in DAC?

Yeah, but most of the the old (2000s in particular) mid-range hifi units all had decent-enough DAC's to do 44.1/16bit. And they're cheap now.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/317751858636 e.g. £65 doesn't even remotely get you close to listenable in vinyl.

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