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Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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I'm fairly convinced these are bot / LLM generated PR's in the first place; the content is nonsensical garbage.

No, I spent many hours of my personal time on it.

You spent many hours of your personal time trying to enable AI companies to better steal OSS work?

Dude get a better hobby or something lol

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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When I started working on one of my side projects a year or so ago, I realized I didn't have time to figure out how to style each and every component, so I paid for Tailwind Plus. It was pricey, and I definitely had to think about it for a few days, but I'm so glad I did. It saved me way more time than the dollar value of the product, and it has continued to get better.

If you are using Tailwind, I highly recommend Tailwind Plus. You'll learn so much about what Tailwind can do using that library, and it is so easy to adapt into your own offerings. It is 100% worth it.

Hearing that they're struggling, I may have to also bite the bullet and pick up Refactoring UI.

Note: I am in no way connected to the Tailwind folks other than through my credit card.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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> No discovery - no business. I do SEO as a side gig to my 9-5 as a developer. All four of my freelance companies I work with have seen their traffic drop up to 40% since LLM's have effectively taken over and people are using search engines less and less. We've had to pivot to short form social media advertising which seems to be closing the gap whereas before the majority of our leads were coming from organic search…

The real question is, have your actual qualified leads decreased? So much traffic is bogus or looking for something adjacent to what they land on that I'm not entirely convinced AI is at fault here. It very well could be, but I'd love to see a real deep dive rather than potential coincidence.

>> The real question is, have your actual qualified leads decreased?

Yes.

>> So much traffic is bogus or looking for something adjacent to what they land on that I'm not entirely convinced AI is at fault here.

When I was reviewing our analytics, I noticed a huge uptick in traffic from IP addresses in Sigapore and Beijing. This coincided with spikes from Linux OS traffic that was higher than desktop and iOS traffic which has always been the two highest OS's for our traffic. Add in a huge spike in direct traffic all pointed in one direction - AI bots and crawlers.

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Can someone explain to me the advantage of writing class="bg-blue" instead of style="background-color: blue;" and why anyone ever thought they could make meaningful money from enabling the former?

Can you modify your style tag to make the background turn purple on a mobile device? No? Ok.

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Telerik, DevExpress, and a lot of other companies have made profitable businesses that have lasted well over a decade on that business premise. Selling solid and easy to integrate pre-made components has been a pretty good business for a while.

I wonder how they're doing too then, as we don't have public stats about them (Telerik was acquired by a public company Progress Software but they do not break down revenue by Telerik specifically). Ultimately, this business of selling components is not sound in the age of AI. Another thing to consider, it seems JS devs use more AI for work than .NET devs for example, which might be in more old-school companies and i…

Yeah I don't disagree that selling components is going to be hard business in the age of AI. Just mostly pointing out that it was a good business previously.

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UBI will turn Earth into the Earth of the Expanse. I truly believe it would be absolutely ruinous on man. Our psychology is just not built for that.

That’s unproven, but suppose it’s true: what’s your alternative? If we are in fact facing widespread unemployment, what’s going to be better than UBI at avoiding societal collapse? Billionaires paying private armies to contain poor people is a straight-up sci-fi dystopia but even that depends on enough people having money to buy things from their companies.

TAX. THE. FUCKING. RICH.

Then use it to pay for services like healthcare and education so that everyone has a safety net and opportunity to thrive without just giving everyone enough cash so that they are incentivized to slack.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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I’ll be honest. I’m a contributor to this. I’ve been CSS since the mid 2000s and I have a lot of it memorized by heart. My team uses tailwind, therefore I use tailwind But I don’t want to reconfigure my mental model to think in esoteric shorthand, when I already have vanilla web tech memorized. So I just write some code to match the design and then I let an llm transform it into what my team expects. I’m sharing in t…

The shorthand makes inline style more ergonomic, so you can see the wood for the trees, rather than long strings of style attributes in your markup.

Inline style is the thing. That's what tailwind is enabling in a readable way. And inlined style is what makes style more maintainable and less susceptible to override rot.

The separation between form and function is always a bit illusionary, but particularly so with CSS. Almost all markup is written to look a specific way, not a configurable way.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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The biggest miss from Tailwind is ignoring the rest of the ecosystem. Rightly or wrongly, everyone has moved on to using shadcn's system for components. Tailwind hasn't. Tailwind has excellent components available through Plus which are worth paying for but they're not available where people are, which pushes people towards other libraries built on top of Tailwind. I have paid for Tailwind Plus and I like their Catal…

> everyone has moved on to using shadcn's system for components This may be an exaggeration.

It is.

At least in the React space where there are a ton of libraries like Mantine or React Aria which I use.

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It seems like every (coding) AI model out there is generating html with TailwindCSS styling. @adam: this is just an idea. Have you tried reaching out to OpenAI, Anthropic et al to become sponsors of tailwind? Could that be a viable revenue path? Maybe you could offer LLM friendly docs to them, or access to something valuable for them? Or maybe they’re just happy to sponsor. Tailwind and its popularity make LLM’s more…

Bolt is what turned me onto it (same with React Aria).

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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As a fellow business owner, I’ll always feel bad when business owners need to make these types of decisions. I bought Tailwind UI - I always thought it was a critically bad business decision from their end to keep giving me additional new stuff for free. It seemed to me that it should have been a subscription. However, knowing nothing about the inside of their business, I have no idea how that would have affected the…

i bought Tailwind UI years ago and have barely used it outside of like a couple of abandoned side projects. I bought it knowing that is going to happen because it is a one-time payment, and the idea of supporting the project/Adam is prob a bigger factor that the product.

I definitely wont even consider it if its a subscription.

Selling UI components is a hard sell to begin with - i think they made the right decision with a one-time point payment at that higher price point. If it were a subscription, i probably would've cancelled it within 2 or 3 months.

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