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Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by qwertywert_ »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #449
rootusrootus wrote: post #416

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As someone with two teenage kids, I would wager that this is highly age-dependent, and that it is exactly reversed the younger you go. My guess is 99% of the under-25 population uses Discord daily and has never had a Facebook account.

In which country? The young adults in my UK family aren't using Discord. They don't use Facebook (except to keep up with older family/associates) either though.

Are you sure they don't? How would you know? Every intern I've worked with uses discord

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Post by mcphage »

bdangubic wrote: post #245
mcphage wrote: post #168

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It's like TikTok but you hit buttons instead of swiping.

that sounds like a lot of work

The trick is you hold the controller in your limp hands, with your fingertip resting on one of the channel buttons. Usually the plus. So when you want to swipe you just extend your index finger just a fraction of an inch. And the screen changes. They dialed in the interface over years, and have gotten it to a process with almost no work involved.

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Post by KPGv2 »

cookiengineer wrote: post #278
nostrademons wrote: post #160

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In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

> Trust has eroded so much over the last two decades that most forums are either full of bots or full of annoyed and toxic people. It's very rare to find welcoming communities to newbies, and most of the ones I have discovered were offline connections.

Tumblr is still doing pretty well on that front. I'm there for a fandom, and it's a super positive atmosphere where everyone just wants to make and talk about cool art.

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Post by throwaway713 »

bsimpson wrote: post #463
hinkley wrote: post #275

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I wonder if the act of switching between discord servers works better with our homo erectus brains. You visit your sister who moved to the next village over, and you hang out in that context until it’s time to go home. You go hang out with the stone shapers because you’re a Neolithic nerd and you think rocks are cool but you have the find motor skills of a dying walrus. Having all of your social circle mashed togethe…

It's funny to see how communities shard. In the plastic instrument games genre, there are some Discords where any wisp of using commercial music will be met with a stern reaction and potential ban. There are others that will link you to Drives full of thousands of songs from old games. The same people are in both groups.

Sort of like the people who work in big tech and the people who post on Hacker News. You'd think the intersection is an empty set, but it's probably pretty large.

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Post by DANmode »

flir wrote: post #548
lolive wrote: post #536

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For what it is worth, here is my experience with Facebook, [a platform that I have learnt to love after my Twitter ban]: I go to the main page, I immediately click the magnifying lens, so I get the list of unread posts of the 10to20 groups I follow. I read them quickly. Then leave. I do that, on a daily basis. Time spent: usually 20 minutes. Reddit is 99% search only. I go there only on a purpose. [might be replaced…

I knocked up a browser plugin that, whenever I land on / redirects me to /?filter=all&sk=h_chr It's a much less sticky place, now.

Nice!

Why does that look familiar?

Some web wrappers forFB on Android must use that or similar.

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Post by ravikapoor101 »

ethagknight wrote: post #568
cookiengineer wrote: post #278

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I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

I never tell people I comment online. No one I know knows my Reddit username (as far as I know…). Few of my friends even know what HN is.

I know. In fact, millions of us know your reddit username

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Post by retsibsi »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #425
mingus88 wrote: post #158

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Google ads is dead precisely because their search product is dead. Ever since Google bought double click, their ads business has been their search business. They are the same product.

Google search ain't dead at all: it became so good something silly like 99% of all the queries have to be answered by the Google AI before the very first "result". And for those who want more, there's the "continue this discussion with Gemini". Now this may not be great for Google Ads (dunno about that) but Google search now works better than it ever did.

The AI summary is good enough often enough that it's tempting to rely on it. But, at least as of a week or two ago when I finally decided to block it, it still gets things badly wrong. (Sometimes seemingly inexplicably, but often because the results don't obviously contain an answer and yet the LLM is desperate to provide one.)

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Post by ravikapoor101 »

esseph wrote: post #504
yunwal wrote: post #479

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The culture on discords tend to be way better than anywhere else on the internet, but discord really sucks to use. Somehow still doesn’t have a usable search, really underpowered notifications control, they have the worst pop ups imaginable that seem to just float on top of the whole interface and make it impossible to use. I really wish something better would come along.

It can do per channel and per server notifications for all messages, @mentions, or none. What else would you want?

I also want levels of notifications. Especially emergency one - Some channels are super critical and I want to be notified immediately, give me a popup, ring my phone, override if my phone is on mute, then call me. Kind of like pagerduty.

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Post by crazygringo »

imron wrote: post #530
crazygringo wrote: post #456

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Again, this "death of search" I hear so much about, but doesn't exist in the numbers. If search results are such a waste of time, why do people keep using Google? In ever-increasing numbers? What's the explanation there?

Dead internet theory explains this perfectly well. Google search results are a wasteland of ads and content farms, with vanishingly small value for humans

Again, then why are people using Google more than ever?

I don't really see how "dead internet theory" explains that. If it were as bad as you claim, surely usage would be plummeting? But it's just the opposite.

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Post by giardini »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #61

I recently took someone to go and watch a hockey game. Been a little while but I personally played as a goalie myself. The person kept making the comment that she couldn't see/find the puck and it made it frustrating to watch. As a goalie, not being able to see the puck is pretty normal (especially with big bodies trying to screen you). What I told her was that what matters a lot more than where the puck is, is where…

So maybe the puck is on TV?

Reason I say this is that this guy (Bob Hoffman)

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=Ad+Cont...

says people watch ads on TV not the Internet.

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