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Post by zaphirplane »

signatoremo wrote: post #543
insane_dreamer wrote: post #529

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Uber and Lyft put all the taxis out of business and now cost as much as the taxis they displaced

Ever notice that even where Uber doesn’t operate most of ride sharing alternatives work pretty much the same way? Go to South Asia, China, Middle East, or South East Asia. Consumers pick those services because of what Uber pioneered — trust and convenience. You know exactly how much you pay, you pay everything upfront, you know you are dropped off where you need to be. There are of course exceptions, but exceptions t…

> because of what Uber pioneered — trust

I really dislike the retro fitting of history. I’ve read more occurrences of serious SA by uber drivers and zero for normal taxi in the last few years

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Post by leptons »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #545
leptons wrote: post #505

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>Should you also have to prove you are not a bot sponsored by short-sellers? On a 35 day-old account, yes. Anything "post-AI" is suspect now. The rest of your comment reads like manufactured AI slop, replying to things I never even wrote in my one sentence comment. And no surprise coming from an account created 1 day ago .

I think it’s quite obvious I’m not writing AI slop. The latest chatgpt for example will produce comments that are now distinguishable from the real thing only because they’re much better written. It’s insane that the main visible marker rn is that the arguments and writings it crafts are superior then what your average joe can write. My shit writing can’t hold a candle and that’s pretty obvious. AI slop is not accept…

I accused another user of writing AI slop in this specific thread, and here you are inserting yourself as if you are replying to comment I made to the other user. You certainly seem desperate to boost "AI" as much as you can. Your 37 day old account is also just as suspect as their 3 day old account. I'm not engaging with you any more so replying is kind of pointless.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Post by rcbdev »

merlincorey wrote: post #566
rcbdev wrote: post #538

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Freelancers regularly use tools such as Copilot and Claude, it's always handled professionally and in agreement with their customers. I've seen other freelancers do it plenty of times in the last 1-2 years at my customer sites. Why so narrow minded?

I'm inquisitive not narrow minded. The GP didn't mention anything about freelancing so unless you know them or stalked them you are perhaps being narrow minded here.

They also never said anything about being employed.

You are being narrow minded here.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Post by merlincorey »

rcbdev wrote: post #574
merlincorey wrote: post #566

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I'm inquisitive not narrow minded. The GP didn't mention anything about freelancing so unless you know them or stalked them you are perhaps being narrow minded here.

They also never said anything about being employed. You are being narrow minded here.

Again, I disagree and reaffirm my being full of inquisitiveness.

You are being downright unpleasant and I don't think we should continue this conversation further until you open your mind.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Post by merlincorey »

solumunus wrote: post #569
merlincorey wrote: post #456

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It sounds like you use your personal Claude Code subscription for work of your employer, but that is not something I would ever consider doing personally so I imagine I must be mistaken. Can you elaborate slightly on what you pay for personally and what your employer pays for with regards to using LLMs for Enterprise ERP?

I own my own business.

Interesting and thanks for clarifying that aspect. I have a few more questions if you would be able to answer any of them at any level of detail I would appreciate it.

How much would you be willing to pay to continue using Claude on a monthly basis before you stopped?

Do you currently maintain the new (as of two weeks ago) cash reserve to ensure it continues working when limits are reached and how much do you reserve for said reserve?

Finally, do you send your customer's code or data directly to Claude or do you use it indirectly on generic stuff and then manually specialize the outputs?

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Post by LtWorf »

Ma8ee wrote: post #564
Terretta wrote: post #555

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If expert devs have junior devs to assign code to, that you review and integrate, do they become “hopelessly dependent” on junior devs? My experience of expert devs is those who are happy to have extra leverage are not slowed much by having to do it themselves. In no cases have I seen experts become “dependent” on the junior devs.

They do quite soon after they have become managers or product owners or “architects”.

Those were probably senior only in age.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Post by mcbishop »

zcw100 wrote: post #561
mcbishop wrote: post #486

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The parent comment's point is that we _should_ care because cheap frontier-model access (that many of us have quickly become hopelessly dependent on) might be temporary.

It's amazing that anyone that has seen anything in technology in the last 30 years can say, "better be careful. They might stop subsidizing this and then it's gunna get expensive!" is ridiculous. I can buy a 1Tb flash drive for $100. Please, even with every reason to amortize the hardware over the longest horizon possible are only going out 6 years. 64K should be enough for anyone right?

I think the heavy investor subsidization / speculation makes this different. The high cost of early 1Tb flash drives was largely borne by buyers.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Post by mattmanser »

jmogly wrote: post #281
mattmanser wrote: post #173

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Ok, if you're a senior dev, have you 'caught' it yet? Ask it a question about something you know well, and it'll give you garbage code that it's obviously copied from an answer on SO from 10 years ago. When you ask it for research, it's still giving you garbage out of date information it copied from SO 10 years ago, you just don't know it's garbage.

Of course, step one is always critically think and evaluate for bad information. I think for research, I mainly use it for things that are testable/verifiable, for example I used it for a tricky proxy chain set up. I did try to use it to learn a language a few months ago which I think was counter productive for the reasons you mentioned.

How can you critically assess something in a field you're not already an expert on?

That Python you just got might look good, but could be rewritten from 50 lines to 5, it's written in 2010-style, it's not using modern libraries, it's not using modern syntax.

And it is 50 to 5. That is the scale we're talking about in a good 75% of AI produced code unless you challenge it constantly. Not using modern syntax to reduce boilerplate, over-guarding against impossible state, ridiculous amounts of error handling. It is basically a junior dev on steriods.

Most of the time you have no idea that most of that code is totally unnecessary unless you're already an expert in that language AND libraries it's using. And you're rarely an expert in both or you wouldn't even be asking as it would have been quicker to write the code than even write the prompt for the AI.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Post by mrwrong »

embedding-shape wrote: post #551
mrwrong wrote: post #540

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yeah I agree about the negative externalities but I'm curious about the perceived benefits. did anybody argue that cars were actually slower than horse and carriage? (were they at first?)

The cars were obviously faster than the typical horse transportation and I don't think anyone tried to argue against that, but laws typically restricted cars so they couldn't go faster than horses, at least in highly populated areas like cities. As others mentioned too, the benefit of not needing roads to go places were highlighted as a drawback of cars too. People argued that while cars might go faster, the result w…

sure but my point is people could agree they were faster at least. that is decidedly not true for LLMs. maybe due to alignable vs non-alignable differences
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