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> your new created libpam-mysql I do not need to create it, it already exists. Yes, you can write your own pam module, but in general you do not need to. > just use what Microsoft sells you. Which means now your employees need to manually sync the MS and your internal databases. Depends on how much your employees time is worth for you. I mean a lot of companies do exactly that, but it is certainly not the cheaper opt…
Ilegal? Lol, nice joke.
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For legacy spreadsheets, you're 100% correct. I'll need to keep a version of Excel around forever. If they price me out of 365 by making me pay for Copilot shit I don't use or want, a perpetual license to Office 2019 runs about $20 and will do that job for me. For new work that I might have otherwise done in Excel, there are good options. Collabora works. Libre Office works. Google sheets works. And Grist is quite go…
None of the things you listed are suitable replacements for Excel. None. It has nothing to do with existing files/compatibility. Excel is unparalleled.
A whole lot of accountants/bookkeepers (including I) will totally disagree with you. LibreOffice is very good.. and not just Calc either. Writing a novel in Writer is a pleasure.
More people should use and contribute to LibreOffice!
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Can I just get the version without CoPilot for cheaper? Or at all? Likely they'd charge more for it.
I think the only way to get the no-Copilot version now is to already have the Copilot version and try to cancel your subscription, and only then they'll offer the "Classic" version sans Copilot as a last ditch retention effort. If users actually wanted this stuff they wouldn't need to bury the option to not pay for it.
australia recently sued microsoft over this.. saying they had to increase their prices but not mentioning that they could downgrade to a 'classic' subscription. totally misleading under australian consumer law.
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I meant it's a term expressing viewpoint that's part of popular culture in Germany, as opposed to part of academia. There's no equivalent term in American popular culture.
> I meant it's a term expressing viewpoint that's part of popular culture in Germany, as opposed to part of academia. The word "Datenkrake" is also used in academic texts (even though I would say the word is a litle bit colloquial): > https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=de&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=date... As I wrote: I would consider this word to be "part of daily life" like "cooking pot" or "bicycle", which is why I would n…
Now you know!
Yeah, it definitely seems to carry a strong ideology with it, an ideology which is not present in other countries. Germany has pretty unique attitudes towards privacy.
It actually sounds pretty humorous to me. Like if there was a country that called Toblerone a sugar-scarecrow, or BMW a pedestrian-serial-killer, and everyone thought that was normal? It kind of makes it hard to take quite seriously!
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#575Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I meant it's a term expressing viewpoint that's part of popular culture in Germany, as opposed to part of academia. The word "Datenkrake" is also used in academic texts (even though I would say the word is a litle bit colloquial): > https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=de&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=date... As I wrote: I would consider this word to be "part of daily life" like "cooking pot" or "bicycle", which is why I would n…
Now you know! Yeah, it definitely seems to carry a strong ideology with it, an ideology which is not present in other countries. Germany has pretty unique attitudes towards privacy. It actually sounds pretty humorous to me. Like if there was a country that called Toblerone a sugar-scarecrow, or BMW a pedestrian-serial-killer, and everyone thought that was normal? It kind of makes it hard to take quite seriously!
> Like if there was a country that called Toblerone a sugar-scarecrow, or BMW a pedestrian-serial-killer, and everyone thought that was normal? It kind of makes it hard to take quite seriously!
In my opinion German society is insanely polarized between many rather isolated groups which are often quite strongly opinionated.
In this sense, a slightly less exaggerated version of
> BMW a pedestrian-serial-killer
is actually not that far off from the formulations that committed bicyclists would actually use in their daily conversations (I know such people). I would say that the Calvin & Hobbes comic
> https://imgur.com/new-traffic-safety-slogan-kXQhaoz
> https://lede-admin.la.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/sit...
is basically a pure description of such discussions.
Addendum: in the USA anti-cyclist slogans like "If you break any traffic rules while on a bike, you deserve to be horribly crippled or maybe even paralyzed." are sent in TV:
> https://la.streetsblog.org/2008/04/01/la-city-channel-36-tak...
Exactly the same rhetoric in the opposite direction. Considering this, I'm rather surprised that in the USA cyclists are so indulgent.
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I have not yet heard anybody use a formulation such as "Toblerone [is] a sugar-scarecrow", but from the aspect of surprisal, I would say I'd say I would be hardly surprised to hear such a formulation (I'd rather actually aspect much more strongly worded formulations from anti-sugar health activists :-) ).
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#576I would prefer unbundling this. I do not use Microsoft Office apps; I use Google Workspace apps which can read those files. I do heavily use OneDrive space though. I want to pay only for that. And cannot. I would love to find a OneDrive replacement that works well both on Linux and Windows (and Android, iOS).
You could try VisualDrive Server (self-hosted OneDrive server): https://www.axiorema.com/visualdrive-server/
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There's a bunch of competitors to MS Office already: Libre/OpenOffice, Google Docs, Collabora, etc. Some of these are totally free to use, some open-source too. Have people switched en masse to them? Nope. Personally, I think MS needs to massively increase their prices here: they're leaving a lot of money on the table. Companies, especially, (and governments) just aren't going to switch, no matter what. So why not in…
As chiii already pointed out, you are looking at the wrong end of the spectrum. Decision in Enterprise organizations are not done by the end user and non of your options, not even Google Docs, offers the equality of features. M365 is far more than just Word, Excel, Outlook, Teams (apart from some apps depending on the M365 tier you are in like Access, Project, Visio etc.), you buy a whole workspace. Users can seamles…
"Seamless" may be irrationally exuberant but it's better than the others _at scale_.
LibreOffice, etc. may see similar from the UI end but if you're scaling across multiple sites/archetypes/employee models/regulatory environments, -and- want access to a wide and deep pool of administrative labor, M365 is seamless by comparison.
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#578Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a bunch of competitors to MS Office already: Libre/OpenOffice, Google Docs, Collabora, etc. Some of these are totally free to use, some open-source too. Have people switched en masse to them? Nope. Personally, I think MS needs to massively increase their prices here: they're leaving a lot of money on the table. Companies, especially, (and governments) just aren't going to switch, no matter what. So why not in…
You are arguing the Oracle strategy, raise prices until it hurts, throw up roadblocks to switching and raise them some more.
Yeah, capitalism. Our sense of fairness hate it but our portfolios love it.
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Yeah, but they're already gone, and you can only milk them for so much. Businesses and governments are a totally different matter: they're not going to switch to the alternatives no matter what, so MS could make a lot more profit by jacking up their prices massively. $10,000 per user per year is totally doable I think.
Governments in Europe are increasingly ditching Microsoft, goaded by souring relations between the continents.
Ditching for what?
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Why? What feature does office 365 have that is so difficult to replace? I'm guessing support but... is there something more obvious? Full disclosure, I haven't used microsoft office in a few decades.
Office 365 these days is SSO (Include Enterprise cloud apps in the bargain),Cloud Documents, Email, Teams(Telephony and Chat) . Word, Excel and Outlook, what outsiders think of as "office" client side apps, are just a gimme. Heck thats just in brief, most of my customers are in deeper than that. Throw in Cloud Compute, and VDI as experiences that are just that much easier using Azure and 365 than other providers. Not…
This was the key point I tried to make at the start of this thread: "It's not just using a different version of Excel and Word - that's the least of the issues."