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Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

knowriju wrote: post #567
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

Would be quite hilarious if the first two companies to buy As space on ChatGPT is Anthropic and Google. Specially hilarious, since that's exactly how TikTok got all their initial traction from Meta Ads.

"Hey ChatGPT, these ads are annoying, how do I get rid of them?"

"Here's a reply from our sponsor Anthropic: [...]"

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Post by wnmurphy »

senordevnyc wrote: post #427
a4isms wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poe's Law notwithstanding, I find it hard to believe that anyone would think I was making a good faith business acumen observation. If Optimus walks you to the kitchen to get a coke, what's Tesla's business model? Charge by the nanosecond for compute time?

Tesla doesn’t need a business model, they’re a meme stock.

Not saying that the stock isn't a meme stock, but my car literally drives itself everywhere. Tesla has many business models.

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Post by hirako2000 »

codybontecou wrote: post #166
darkamaul wrote: post #55

Hoping this pushes a new generation of adblockers, but I'm skeptical it'll stay a fair fight. The next wave of ads will likely be far subtler than today's web ads - more integrated into content, harder to detect, and easier to normalize.

We'll hopefully (?) end up with a local llm-layer that filters ads within our browser. I imagine we'll have a chrome extension that recognizes unwanted content and removes the text.

More likely we will just use local LLMs period.

In just a matter of a couple of years, we went from a single, closed source LLM entirely outputting tokens slower than one can read, to dozens of open source models, some specialized, able to run on a mobile device, outputting tokens faster than one can read.

The gap between inference providers and running on edge will always exist but will become less and less relevant.

What OpenAi did is like offering accelerated GPUs for 3D gaming that nobody could set up at home, before they could.

Are we using buying better gaming experience by renting cloud GPUs? I recall some companies including Google were offering that. It took a few years for investors to figure people would rather just run games locally.

We aren't dealing with gamers here, but I think the analogy is valid.

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Post by adrianwaj »

lxgr wrote: post #199
neximo64 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are That's actually changed a while ago.

Claude? I’d be extremely surprised. Gemini? As gemini.google.com or as the thoroughly mediocre “AI summaries” on top of Google Search results?

Yeah, Google should have got gemini.com and gemini.ai before settling on that name, just like Claude. Instead they go to the same crypto service. It would've cleared up some confusion.

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Post by thefourthchime »

jdoliner wrote: post #491

It's not totally obvious to me that you can get the economics of this to work. A Google search costs ~.04 cents to serve, whereas a frontier reasoning LLM request costs about 2 cents. The revenue from a Google search is also around 2 cents. So the margins are dangerously thin on an LLM. Now there's lots of variables that can be tweaked on this. So it's possible to get it to work. But there's a lot less room for error…

The price of inference has been dropping like a rock. I wouldn't expect that 2c to be true in a couple of years.

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Post by Maxion »

jdoliner wrote: post #491

It's not totally obvious to me that you can get the economics of this to work. A Google search costs ~.04 cents to serve, whereas a frontier reasoning LLM request costs about 2 cents. The revenue from a Google search is also around 2 cents. So the margins are dangerously thin on an LLM. Now there's lots of variables that can be tweaked on this. So it's possible to get it to work. But there's a lot less room for error…

I suspect that just like with Search, LLMs are used for a number of different action types. One being specifically web search, one being product search and so forth.

Within the web-search and product-search requests there is undoubtedly A LOT of overlap between peoples queries. It would not be unfeasible to have on nice long good answer generated by e.g. ChatGPT 5.1 cached, and first throw the initial user request into some kind of classifier and use a smaller LLM to judge whether the cached answer is close enough to the initial query.

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Post by senordevnyc »

LastTrain wrote: post #472
senordevnyc wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you reconcile this with: 1. The absolute explosion of AI usage (revealed preferences) 2. The polling on AI, which is mixed and reveals lots of pessimism and fear among a slight majority of Americans, but hardly universal “utter hatred”. My guess is some combo of: your family is not representative, the hatred was not as universal as it appeared (bandwagon effect), or your own hatred of AI caused you to focus on…

I don’t reconcile it, I was giving an anecdote, one that would seem to easily fit in with your personal summary of some poll you read about.

No, the polls I’ve seen are more like 50/50, not the kind of universal utter hatred you’re portraying here. Color me skeptical.

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Post by frankohn »

varenc wrote: post #507
frankohn wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I am not sure about that but to me the real thing is: https://gemini.google.com and for this you need to be logged in, at least in my country. As for AI mode from google search I am not sure but I don't seem to have it, at least in my country, switzerland.

Going to https://gemini.google.com works fine for me when not logged in. It might be doing some sort of reputation check on your browser/IP to decide whether it requires a login or not. edit: sure enough, while using Tor or a well known VPN IP, Gemini requires I login.

That does not match what I see, gemini.google.com always present me a login page and it did the same for my colleague at work.
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