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Re: Android developer verification: Early access starts

#571

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Then i guess you can't publish apps? One of those issues where i should be "writing to my congressman" or whatever I guess. the problem is real and people like you are being obtuse, unwilling to find a solution or a compromise. Something as simple as number of installs is an invasion of privacy? how? it's a number, you increment a counter when someone hits download, that's it. Yeah, if google gets to have rules over…

How about the harms of fascist authoritarian governments that will use this functionality to ban any apps they don't like? Why do you people only care about malware and not essential fundamental freedoms that affect us every fucking day?

talk about a straw man. "fascist authoritarian" is rich, governments don't need that to ban apps. Google can ban apk's on all android phones with a play store any time they want. Microsoft can do this on any windows machine with windows update turned (they have in the past), apple can do that with their OS's too.

Your freedoms are not the subject of this topic, not even remotely. Google isn't even banning you from doing anything on android phone, this is strictly about approving android builds by phone vendors, you're not even the subject here. Google doesn't want to approve android builds that allow sideloading. You can still install lineage.

Your argument here is actually "fascist authoritarian", you want to impose your views on the general public, that sideloading should be enabled. Having an option for yourself and other willing people to just not just vendor built android is not enough, you want the public to also leave the gates open so you can sideload your random apk's.

Oh, and for the record, my post was about finding a compromise, not a false dichotomy as you presented. If you made a car without a seatbelt it won't be allowed on the roads, if a phone vendor also builds an unsafe android where random devs an sideload apks, that shouldn't be allowed. Forget Google, governments should be enforcing the sideload ban lol.

You don't appreciate your freedoms and insist on abusing them, so actual freedoms end up being taken away!

Re: Android developer verification: Early access starts

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It's not possible to provide a path for advanced users that a stupid person can't be coerced to use. Moreover, it's not possible to provide a path for advanced users that a stupid person won't use by accident, either. These are what drive many instances of completely missing paths for advanced users. It's not possible to stop coercion or accidents. It is literally impossible. Any company that doesn't want to take the…

>It's not possible to provide a path for advanced users that a stupid person can't be coerced to use. I actually think you might be wrong about this? Imagine if Google forced you to solve a logic puzzle before sideloading. The puzzle could be very visual in nature, so even if a scammer asked the victim to describe the puzzle over the phone, this usually wouldn't allow the scammer to solve it on the victim's behalf. T…

It would also fail for users who are differently abled. That sounds like an absolute nightmare for accessibility. Good news for preventing scams, but bad news for anyone without full mental and physical faculties.

Re: Android developer verification: Early access starts

#573

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Then i guess you can't publish apps? One of those issues where i should be "writing to my congressman" or whatever I guess. the problem is real and people like you are being obtuse, unwilling to find a solution or a compromise. Something as simple as number of installs is an invasion of privacy? how? it's a number, you increment a counter when someone hits download, that's it. Yeah, if google gets to have rules over…

> people like you are being obtuse, unwilling to find a solution or a compromise. How are people being obtuse for refusing to compromise for solutions on a problem which doesn’t exist? You can’t misrepresent the situation, establish that one American company having absolute control on what people do with their devices is somehow the norm and then complain that people won’t meet you halfway.

> How are people being obtuse for refusing to compromise for solutions on a problem which doesn’t exist?

I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume you're just not well informed.

Millions of people are losing billions of dollars. Women are having their private media published to the masses. People are getting divorces, fired from jobs,etc.. because of android malware. The problem is nearly non-existent on iPhones to the most part, because they lock that down (but now thanks to "my freedom" type of freedom abusers are changing that too).

Apple already does this. You can't publish a driver for Windows without verifying your identity and buying an expensive code signing cert. Google isn't doing anything new, matter of fact, they're not doing enough! this still permits things like lineageos and other android builds to be installed -- that's your freedom. But since the prevailing sentiment is to resist a more secure way of doing things, the outcome will be that all smartphones will only load signed kernels/firmware in the future, and all signers will be required to id themselves, this will kill a lot of android builds.

This is why compromise is important. Your liberties are important to you, but you can't just dismiss the harm to the masses like that and refuse to find a compromise or a solution, that's how you lose what little freedom you have.

This is why things like "chat control" keep creeping up, and they will succeed down the road.

Re: Android developer verification: Early access starts

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Google is about to find out the next step of this chain - give access to everyone, don't gatekeep / do checks, and yet take responsibility for anything that goes wrong. "You should open up the tool, put no restrictions, and yet ensure that it is safe and secure" is an impossible task for anyone.

How it was working till now for so many years, now suddenly can't?

because they put restrictions. now they cannot. because all the restrictions meant saying no to some legit things as well - inevitably. but then they got sued, laws got passed, to not be monopolistic, and still secure the users. this is the aspect of tech saying no when the thing being asked is impossible but people assume because they dont want to do it for whatever reason.

Re: Android developer verification: Early access starts

#575
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From the very first announcement of this, Google has hinted that they were doing this under pressure from the governments in a few countries. (I don't remember the URL of the first announcement, but https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/08/elevating-... is from 2025-August-25 and mentions “These requirements go into effect in Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand”.) The “Why verification is important” s…

Imagine if they tried to hold the entire world to the standards of Russia, China or North Korea. Yet they don't. This is just an excuse from them, or else they would only enable it in those countries. They don't hold the entire world to Chinese standards so why should they hold them to Brazilian standards? The only reasonable answer is: they also like those standards.

Re: Android developer verification: Early access starts

#576

There are many real-world sideloading abuse cases in China. Attackers often trick victims with plausible stories—e.g., claiming a flight is delayed—and ask them to sideload an app (a remote‑meeting or remote‑control tool) to share their screen. Once installed, the attacker can view the victim’s screen and intercept SMS 2FA codes for online banking or other sensitive accounts. Other schemes include impersonating sex w…

If by necessity you need to leave the door unlocked more, then you can expect more bandits to pass through. The frequency is a result of China's banning of all Google services, and the mess of Google Play alternatives making the universal option to request users to just install the APK off of a sketchy cloud link.

Re: Android developer verification: Early access starts

#577

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>...or to suddenly require network access... That's the most baffling thing to me. There is simply no option to remove network permissions from any app on my Pixel phone. It's one of the reasons why I avoid using mobile apps whenever I can.

It's weird because GrapheneOS does have this. Networking is a permission on Android, but stock Android doesn't give you the setting.

I believe that permission is currently "leaky". The app can't access the network but it can use Google Play services to display ads.

I believe that would theoretically allow exfiltration of data but I don't understand all of the details behind this behavior and how far it goes.

Re: Android developer verification: Early access starts

#578

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> Then i guess you can't publish apps? I want to distribute apps (someone might also want to simply sell them), not publish them I don't need a publisher, internet is a publishing media already > you don't have the right to publish to the android platform then let me install an alternative OS on the HW i legally bought and own or pay me back. > the harms caused by malware and malicious actors life is full of people d…

> life is full of people doing harms and malicious actors, but we don't let Google or any other company gatekeep our lives Yeah, you're certainly not speaking for malware victims here. android is not your life, so google gatekeeping android (actually only google approved builds) is not gatekeeping your life. You certainly should be able to load an alternative OS. isn't that what lineage and other android distribution…

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Re: Android developer verification: Early access starts

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post #475

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> without requiring Google's authorization for app publication. funnily enough, I am installing google drive for computers right now (macOS), I had to download a .pkg and basically sideload the app, which is not published on the Apple Store Why the double standard, dear Google?

>I had to download a .pkg and basically sideload the app, which is not published on the Apple Store You mean install the app? The fact that Apple and Google wish to suggest that software from outside their gardens is somehow subnormal doesn't mean other people need to adopt their verbiage.

> You mean install the app?

Correct, I mean install the app.

Sideloading is the corporate jargon for "installing an app".

Re: Android developer verification: Early access starts

#580

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> without requiring Google's authorization for app publication. funnily enough, I am installing google drive for computers right now (macOS), I had to download a .pkg and basically sideload the app, which is not published on the Apple Store Why the double standard, dear Google?

Probably because they require APIs which cannot be used when publishing to the AppStore. The whole Microsoft Office Suite is available in the macOS App Store - but Microsoft Teams must be downloaded from their website and cannot be installed via the AppStore...

> Probably because they require APIs which cannot be used when publishing to the AppStore

That's the funny part.

They do stuff they want to prohibit to other developers because "safety".

But we all know that Google can do massively more harm than scammers pushing their scammy apps to a few hundreds people.

For example, in today's news "Google hit with EU antitrust investigation into its spam policy".

There's a bit of irony in it and a lot of hypocrisy, IMO.

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