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Re: Sora 2

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Post by vunderba »

the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Given that even absolute SOTA video gen models struggle with continual uncut shots longer than 60 seconds - positioning it as a Vine/Tiktok interface makes perfect sense. Turn your weakness into a strength.

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Post by noisy_boy »

latexr wrote: post #446
saguntum wrote: post #205

I wonder if they're going to license this to brands for heavily personalized advertisement. Imagine being able to see videos of yourself wearing clothes you're buying online before you actually place the order, instead of viewing them on a model. If they got the generation "live" enough, imagine walking past a mirror in a department store and seeing yourself in different clothes. Wild times.

At that point, why even buy the clothes? Influencers will just post the video of the mockup on social media, which is the only reason they were considering it in the first place. Save themselves the foot fungus. https://xcancel.com/Naija_PR/status/1904809073356251634 Then take the next step. Why even spend money going out? Generate a video of yourself with fake friends at a party and post that, while eating ice cream…

Few years down the line:

"Five things you won't believe: We took an actual vacation"

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Post by wiredpancake »

rvz wrote: post #404
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

I bet xAI and X will likely relaunch Vine with AI videos as a competitor to Sora 2.

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

If society only consisted of the people in a given sector/industry, could it continue and flourish? If we only had engineers, how would society fare versus if we only had influencers? In this paradigm, there's no difference between fine art and pop art.

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Post by wilg »

jrflowers wrote: post #525
wilg wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying many technologies enable a slide into fascism, and not having AI until a couple years ago didn't seem to solve the problem.

I like this reasoning. If a thing doesn’t exist, and doesn’t cause a problem, then when it does exist it won’t cause a problem. Like for example people died in wars before the invention of the machine gun, therefore machine guns didn’t really kill a significant number of people.

While I'm glad you had fun crafting an annoying reply, that's not analogous to what I said.

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Post by ares623 »

samuelfekete wrote: post #393

This is a step towards a constant stream of hyper-personalised AI generated content optimised for max dopamine.

Kids will go to School V2 and have absolutely nothing in common to talk about because each one will have completely unique media entertainment at home.

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Post by bonoboTP »

afavour wrote: post #555
mscbuck wrote: post #505

I can't help but see these technologies and think of Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park. My boss sends me complete AI Workslop made with these tools and he goes "Look how wild this is! This is the future" or sends me a youtube video with less than a thousand views of a guy who created UGC with Telegram and point and click tools. I don't ever think he ever takes a beat, looks at the end product, and asks himself, "who is…

This was my reaction when I saw Meta’s “Vibes” app. Who wants to browse a stream of exclusively AI generated videos? Obviously Meta wants that because it’s a lot cheaper than actually paying real people to make content… but it’s slop.

This is not the final target. It's video generation now, but that's just a stepping stone. The real thing is that learning a generator is also learning a prior over videos, and hence over how the world works. The real application of this will be word models, vision-language action models, spatial AI and robotics. Basically a kind of learned simulator in which to plan and imagine possible futures, possible actions and affordances etc. Video models could become a spatial reasoning platform too. A recent paper by deepmind (using veo3) showed that video models can perform many high level vision tasks out of the box.

Don't think it's going to end here at some slop feed.

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

afavour wrote: post #552
felipeerias wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m just sceptical that OpenAI would be making “TikTok for AI” if they really believed that we are on the verge of creating Artificial General Intelligence.

I just see it as a (sad) reflection of capitalism. Those investors need some short term returns!

This does not make any sense. There's far more economic opportunity with AGI.

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Post by vunderba »

paulcole wrote: post #478
cogman10 wrote: post #469

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> How many hours a week are you actively using AI tools yourself? 2 or 3. Mostly LLMs to check code. > What percentage of public comments that you’ve made about AI tools have been skeptical or critical? Probably around 90%. So sell me. Why is this super impressive? I'm happy to admit that I'm pretty pessimistic about AI. I have an eye for continuity issues, they are pretty obvious to me. Am I just too focused on that…

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>It’s fucking video made by a computer after you type a sentence

Geez. Breathe a little bit. It's always weird to see somebody who had zero involvement in the creation/engineering/design of a product so disproportionately defensive about it.

The concept of text to video since LTX, CogVideo, AnimateDiff is closing in on two years of development at this point so there's naturally going to be a little less breathless enthusiasm.

If you had experience with even the locally hostable stuff like Hunyuan, Wan 2.2, VACE, etc. you'd probably be less impressed as well. The video they demoed had more fast cuts than a Michael Bay movie - illustrating the exact problem that video models STILL suffer from - a failure to generate anything longer than 60 seconds. In fact I didn't even see anything longer than 10 seconds at most. Maybe it's tailormade for an ADHD audience who grew up on Vine Videos.

On a more positive note, the physics have definitely improved though you can tell in some of the shots that the coherency degrades the longer scene goes on (see the volleyball clip).

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