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The occupying powers very much did not assign collective responsibility to Germans after WW2. Material reparations were massively reduced in scope compared to WW1 (and the norms of the previous century), and the Allies actually poured substantial resources into Germany’s reconstruction (far in excess of the reparations). Also, collective punishment is literally as old as written history. I’m not sure if there are wri…

Also, collective punishment is literally as old as written history. I’m not sure if there are writings that provide a coherent moral theory of why it’s acceptable that you could call “collective responsibility” from those times, but it was the norm for thousands of years of warfare. Notice how I didn't say "collective punishment" yet you put those words into my mouth and argue with that. Collective responsibility was…

I didn’t put those words in your mouth - I drew the contrast with “collective responsibility” in the sentence right after I mentioned collective punishment. I even put it in quotes and didn’t for collective punishment.

Also, while we’re laser-focused on 20th century Germany, we might as well look at it just before WWII. The Treaty of Versailles (in addition to being practically punitive) had a clause that is commonly referred to as the “War Guilt Clause” that justified their onerous treatment after the war, and the Weimar Republic had public debate of what they called the Kriegsschuldfrage (literally War Guilt Question) before the Nazis even came on the scene.

I don’t know if the literal term “collective responsibility” was first used later, but I don’t see how the concept is so different. Sure, the Allies did a better job of driving the concept into public consciousness the second time around via prolonged occupation - but they clearly felt justified in holding the German people responsible the first time.

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Who is "you"? The US government doesn't reflect the majority of Americans, at all. It reflects capital interests - which the majority of Americans are not. Majority of Americans are laborers.

it was voted in by majority, no matter what mental gymnastics you do. People either voted, or decided that their vote was worthless enough.

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#573
post #213

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And why do you feel capable to judge if somebody is OK with what their government is doing or not? It’s really that simple: you cannot, unless they explicitly state it.

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How did that Arab Spring work out for Syrians? Right, they were barrel bombed by the regime, then slaughtered by ISIS, then just generally killed in random crossfire. 14 million of them were driven from their homes, either to other places in Syria or outside the country to live in overcrowded refugee camps. Now the terrorist group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham rules over the ashes, since all the original people fighting for change are long dead. Why can't everyone just do this?!??! Stop being lazy people, rise up.

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post #398

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> Either fight of the theocratic lunatics that benefit of your taxes and work, then you and all your countrymen will be welcomed into the modern world, or at least move to a place where your work no longer benefits theocratic lunatics. Thanks! I will steal this quote and use it in response to Americans very soon

Right after the ayatollahs become reasonable people!

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

#575
The worst thing we could do is punish the Iranian people and remove their access to tools that help their freedom and dignity.

Their government, quite literally, does not represent them, their views, nor their interests.

If you want to fix “the Iran problem”, help their people as much as possible.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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> By the way, did you know you could return 451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons instead of 403 Forbidden when you're going to ban me next time? Had no idea, interesting!

451 coming from here by the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451

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This is ahistorical propaganda. Nakba was the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians in favor of invading Europeans. Israel was fully created through terrorism and war crimes, which continue at scale to this day.

No, that's false. "Nakba" refers to the exodus of the Palestinians during 1948. It says exactly that in the Wiki. The exodus came as a result of war, first between the local Arabs and the Jews, and more prominently when Arab armies joined the war against Israel after it was declared a state. Israel was given statehood by a decision of the League of Nations, the body preceding the UN.

Very easy to verify that what you're saying is false:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

#578
post #358

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> I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries... "You all" is a weird way of putting it. I don't support my government levying sanctions on these countries, but I have zero power to change it. It's funny, as the gist author points out that he doesn't support the actions of the Islamic Republic, and has no power to change i…

> But even in the US, no one I've ever had the option to vote for (and who had even a remote chance of winning) would ever consider lifting these sanctions. So I am similarly powerless to change this situation. Not saying Obama’s foreign policy was perfect, but he did do the Iran nuclear deal which lifted some sanctions, and started the process of normalizing relations with Cuba. Like so many other things, these were…

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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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No, that's false. "Nakba" refers to the exodus of the Palestinians during 1948. It says exactly that in the Wiki. The exodus came as a result of war, first between the local Arabs and the Jews, and more prominently when Arab armies joined the war against Israel after it was declared a state. Israel was given statehood by a decision of the League of Nations, the body preceding the UN.

Very easy to verify that what you're saying is false: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Verify that what exactly is false? It literally says that: "The term is used to describe the events of the 1948 Palestine war in Mandatory Palestine as well as Israel's ongoing persecution and displacement of Palestinians"

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post #64

>Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians. The "your decision" in that response is really off-putting. I know the law is what it is with sanctions like this. However, it is a failing of basic human empathy to blame other common citizens of a country for the actions of their government while we almost certainly do not endorse all…

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